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PostSubject: The Craftsman build   Thu Sep 26, 2013 10:13 pm

The Plan --
Build an offroad machine that can play as much as it can work.

The List--
Build a new stronger frame
Lift 3 to 5in
Bigger tires
Snowplow and rototiller mounts- front and rear
Winches front and rear
Find a strong motor
Keep the $ on the low side
And 100 more little things that I'm not going to type out


This is my craftsman tractor that I collected awhile ago - it was free (couldn't pass that deal up).
It will be the platform for my build, it has no motor but overall its in very good condition.
First step is to tear it down to the frame.  Then I can get the measurements to go ahead and build an new frame.


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PostSubject: Re: The Craftsman build   Thu Sep 26, 2013 10:23 pm

@muddstir wrote:
The Plan --
Build an offroad machine that can play as much as it can work.

The List--
Build a new stronger frame
Lift 3 to 5in
Bigger tires
Snowplow and rototiller mounts- front and rear
Winches front and rear
Find a strong motor
Keep the $ on the low side
And 100 more little things that I'm not going to type out


This is my craftsman tractor that I collected awhile ago - it was free (couldn't pass that deal up).
It will be the platform for my build, it has no motor but overall its in very good condition.
First step is to tear it down to the frame.  Then I can get the measurements to go ahead and build an new frame.


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what happened to inbred allis??? Sad 
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PostSubject: Re: The Craftsman build   Thu Sep 26, 2013 10:28 pm

I x2 richie, and looks like a nice mild build you got going.
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PostSubject: Re: The Craftsman build   Thu Sep 26, 2013 10:48 pm

@richie thomas wrote:


what happened to inbred allis??? Sad 

The Allis is still sittin where I left it, on the cart in my garage.
From spring to now I haven't had time to do much of any thing at home but when winter hits i'll  get back on it.

This one I'm building at work so I can hopfully have it done by winter to plow that white crap that falls from the sky.  And it's noting really detailed just a worker and a romper.
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PostSubject: Re: The Craftsman build   Sun Sep 29, 2013 12:19 am

The craftsman is now down to the bare frame rails.  I then got all the measurements that I needed to design a new frame for it, but when I went to work to buy the angle iron for the frame they kinda made me change my mind on my frame.  

What happen was- the 2x2 x 1/4 angle iron was $2.75 a foot.  I needed about 40ft to make my frame, that's over $100 for metal.  Then they told me if I could use the cutoffs we had laying around, then I could just have them. So to keep cost down I'm going to use the cutoff pcs and there is just enough to build 1/2 the frame that I wanted.  Since I'm only able to build 1/2 the frame I am now going to use the stock frame too.
The stock frame will sit on top of my built frame and if I do it right I don't think it would look to bad.

Now here's something strange I found out when I measured out the tractor's frame.  For some reason they made the right (pass) side frame rail 1/4in longer than the other. I did trim the rail down to match the other and cleaned both of them up of any unused junk.
Now here are some pics of it down to the bare frame and the little pc I had to cut off.  The pics of the wheels are the ones I will be using the silver ones are for the rear, they are 12in and the stock ones off the tractor.  The rusty white ones are for the front, they are 10in and they were the stock rear ones off of my Allis Chalmers.  The last pic is just something that's stamped on the rear rims- I thought it was fitting.
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PostSubject: Re: The Craftsman build   Sun Sep 29, 2013 12:46 am

Well, it certainly looks like you've got your work cut out for you! With the frame-on-frame design, how much lift do you figure you'll gain over stock?

As your building this for snow removal (amongst other things) what are you doing to improve traction? Locked diff, chains, wheel weights, loaded tires, maybe all of the above?

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PostSubject: Re: The Craftsman build   Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:59 am

@Doc Sprocket wrote:
Well, it certainly looks like you've got your work cut out for you! With the frame-on-frame design, how much lift do you figure you'll gain over stock?

As your building this for snow removal (amongst other things) what are you doing to improve traction? Locked diff, chains, wheel weights, loaded tires, maybe all of the above?
Doc I have seen snow plough parts on ebay they are big wallet bucks I have no idea why. I have also seen people make them from boiler parts low cost. You told mudstr you need traction more . Will the standard MTD with V tyres on rear not handle the snow and push a plough through in low gear in low gear ? Is this why peole on utube are using ploughs with a cutting blade and blower?
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PostSubject: Re: The Craftsman build   Sun Sep 29, 2013 11:15 am

Simple physics, really. I don't know if you've done any noteworthy snow removal, but it works like this:

A heavy load of wet snow (especially) pinned to the front of a tractor throws the weight bias way forward and can actually remove weight from the rear tires. Many methods are employed to counter this, most of them coming down to adding weight over the rear, tractive tires.

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PostSubject: Re: The Craftsman build   Sun Sep 29, 2013 3:42 pm

@Doc Sprocket wrote:
Well, it certainly looks like you've got your work cut out for you! With the frame-on-frame design, how much lift do you figure you'll gain over stock?

As your building this for snow removal (amongst other things) what are you doing to improve traction? Locked diff, chains, wheel weights, loaded tires, maybe all of the above?
The lift will be around 4in on the front and 5 1/2 in on the rear.  I even it out with different tire sizes.

I will be locking the diff, I am also putting some meaty tires on the rear.  I want to try to keep it light for summer use but I will be making some weight bars for the rear. I'm not sure how much weight will be needed but I know ill need it.  My plow is made from 1/8in stainless steel plate and weighs around 125lbs (yes its overkill for the snow we get around here but it will never rust.)
I am also moving the front axle beam ahead 3in, that should help a lot too.
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PostSubject: Re: The Craftsman build   Fri Oct 04, 2013 8:05 pm

Just found out that the rims I was going to use for the front are not going to work (they were the rusty ones anyway).  
My tires came in and the front ones will need a 5in wide rim to be mounted on, these rims  measured 6 1/2in wide.  So I found some new ones on the net for $31.00,their just plain old steel ones.  

But now I know what rims ill be using for my trailer build - (after the tractor is finished.)
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PostSubject: Re: The Craftsman build   Sun Oct 13, 2013 1:05 am

Small update - I got all the pcs of angle cut, fitted and welded for my frame.  Now I got like 2 days of grinding ahead of me, then i'll have to start notching the frame to clear all the brackets and such.

So as soon as I find the battery for the camera I can get some pics put up of it.

Some other stuff I been doing -  
Sand blasted the crappy wheels that i'm not using for this build
Brain storming on a front axle beam design
shopping the internet for a motor (any suggestions)
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PostSubject: Re: The Craftsman build   Sun Oct 13, 2013 1:23 am

i bought one of these tranny's a few days ago,can you get a pic of the H where the shifter comes out for me so i can know how to mark the shift nob, i forgot to look and dont know which is which gear lol, also, the high/lo lever, when it is pushed in on the tranny is it in low or high? because mine doesn't want to work right when it is pushed in
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PostSubject: Re: The Craftsman build   Mon Oct 28, 2013 12:03 am

I got most of the new frame done except for the rear winch mount and some crossmembers and odd mounts and stuff.

I should have bought complete lengths of angle iron rather than weld all kind of scrap pieces together, would have been done weeks ago then.  
If my memory is right I have 36 pcs of metal in this frame as it sits now. I sat it on the scale at work and it read 107 lbs, so that frame costed me a $20 dollar bill.
There is 2x2 x 1/4in angle, 1/4 in plate steel, 2x4 x 1/8 rec tube, and the old hitch plate off of the tractor welded in to make this frame. Where there is any hook up spot on this frame I ended up doubling it so the mount is now 1/2in thick.

Here is the pics
The first one is of the rear hitch area I made two different spots to hook up to, then the 1in diameter holes on the side is for the rototiller hook up.
The second one is of the front where the snowplow will hook up, and where the winch will bolt to.
The third is a side shot to get the overall look of the frame
The fourth is another side shot
The fifth is to show some of the angle iron


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PostSubject: Re: The Craftsman build   Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:01 am

Looking pretty. That's a lot of welding.
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PostSubject: Re: The Craftsman build   Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:03 pm

Boy- when you build a frame, you don't fool around, do you? Nicely done!

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PostSubject: Re: The Craftsman build   Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:32 pm

one word- tank.. for an engine, id go with an opposed or a 20+ v-twin.. i believe the engine that came on that tractor was an 18 oppy. my dads gf has a newer version, same tranny, with a 22 horse kohler pro.
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PostSubject: Re: The Craftsman build   Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:19 pm

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Looking pretty. That's a lot of welding.


Thanks, It was but I bet the grinding was twice as long




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Boy- when you build a frame, you don't fool around, do you? Nicely done!


Thanks, I want to build it once and make it last my life time, and I been known to over due it.




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one word- tank.. for an engine, id go with an opposed or a 20+ v-twin.. i believe the engine that came on that tractor was an 18 oppy. my dads gf has a newer version, same tranny, with a 22 horse kohler pro.



Yep they had 18's on them  but this one didn't come with a motor.  I been looking at a 23hp Honda v-twin but the price is stopping me right now.
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PostSubject: Re: The Craftsman build   Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:13 pm

This is what it looks like with both frames together.  Still need front rims to come in so I can see the stance before I connect the steering up. will do body positioning after that, then stuff a motor in it.
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PostSubject: Re: The Craftsman build   Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:32 pm

just hazarding a guess, fro what i can se it has around 8 inches of liift? that what it looks like in that pic lol, anyway, it looks damn good
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PostSubject: Re: The Craftsman build   Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:45 pm

Thanks Richie, the pic does make it look taller than it is. The front end is to chunks of 2in wide angle iron welded together so its got 4in of lift, and the rear is three chunks of 2in wide angle iron welded together so there is six but I drilled half way up the last pc of angle for transaxle mounts so I lost an inch there and I cut the old trans mounts off of the org. frame so I lost another 1/2in there so that puts me down the 4 1/2 in the rear.
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PostSubject: Re: The Craftsman build   Mon Nov 11, 2013 12:44 am

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PostSubject: Re: The Craftsman build   Thu Nov 14, 2013 10:33 pm

The big brown truck made a stop at my place today.

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Those are my new front rims, 10in x 5in with 4 on 110mm bolt pattern.  Now that there here I'll be able to get them blasted, then its on to some hub fabb'in.
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PostSubject: Re: The Craftsman build   Wed Nov 27, 2013 11:24 pm

Got a few more things ordered today but it will probably take longer to get because of the holiday.
I got some 7/16 rod ends for the tie rods and new bronze bushings for the front axle beam.  When the bushings come in I'll post my pics of the front end rebuild.
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PostSubject: Re: The Craftsman build   Fri Nov 29, 2013 5:54 pm

Love your frame fab skillz! that's custom for ya!

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PostSubject: Re: The Craftsman build   Tue Dec 09, 2014 9:17 am

Time is freeing up for me now so its time to get back at this.  

Nothing has been touched on this since my last post (over a year ago), so i need to pickup where i left off.  
#1: I need to dig it out of the corner of the garage and blow the dust off.
#2: Got some work to do to the rims then sand blast them.
#3: Need to make some front hubs for the 110mm bolt pattern.
#4: Reinforce front axle beam then rebuild it.
#5: Sand blast the front axle beam and mount.
#6: Assemble front with tires on to see if tires clear all objects at full turns.
#7: Make rear wheel spacers to equal up footprint with front.
#8: Finish up front winch mount.
#9: Make rear winch mount.
#10: Get a motor for it.

This list is just a start there is more to do after all this gets done.
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