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PostSubject: Re: Craftsman GT3000 "MUTT"   Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:03 am

Short clip of steering not working lol

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PostSubject: Re: Craftsman GT3000 "MUTT"   Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:03 am

Yeah, might not work so well....
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PostSubject: Re: Craftsman GT3000 "MUTT"   Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:13 am

i need to make an assembly like that for my lt 4000, i weled a murray pan frame steering box in it and something beefier would be nice.
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PostSubject: Re: Craftsman GT3000 "MUTT"   Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:52 pm

That'd be an interesting idea. Kinda hard to do, but not impossible. The steering I woulda considered doing that with is already in Orion though haha
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PostSubject: Re: Craftsman GT3000 "MUTT"   Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:35 pm

Return them and try some Ebay ones.
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PostSubject: Re: Craftsman GT3000 "MUTT"   Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:39 pm

Waaayyyyyy too late for a return. I bought em over a year ago. Think I'll just put the incandescents back in.
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PostSubject: Re: Craftsman GT3000 "MUTT"   Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:46 pm

Ah that's to bad. I never buy anything from Walmart. I just go to my trusty Can tire.
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PostSubject: Re: Craftsman GT3000 "MUTT"   Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:49 pm

Got the steering box out and apart tonight. Exactly what I thought happened at first.


Machined cast bronze gear, cast onto a cast iron hub. Too much torque from the output side, split it right off.


Wear on the gear where it was used to operate the steering. None on the actual worm gear though, it's steel.


Seems like the cast iron actually split first, then busted the gear. (judging by how distorted the worm gear is).


Plans for new steering are in the works, we'll see what I come up with.

Edit: This is a single throated worm and wheel setup, meaning the wheel is machined to allow the worm to contact more teeth at once(you can see it in the divots in the top of the teeth). The wear is the broken surface you see on the sides of the teeth. Just thought I had to clear that up.


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PostSubject: Re: Craftsman GT3000 "MUTT"   Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:52 pm

Yep, that's not so good. I bet that setup isn't very good for steering shock loads, probably just best for running at a constant RPM. So you're not gonna try and re-use this box Rich?

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PostSubject: Re: Craftsman GT3000 "MUTT"   Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:54 pm

Most likely not. Too much backlash in high reduction setups like this.
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PostSubject: Re: Craftsman GT3000 "MUTT"   Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:59 pm

Ouch.

Whats that assembly off of?
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PostSubject: Re: Craftsman GT3000 "MUTT"   Tue Jan 09, 2018 9:05 pm

General use 10:1 Dodge gearbox. Face mount for 56 frame(ish) motor. Not sure about the duty cycle. Ran a conveyor at my dad's work til somehow they broke the output shaft off it. Dad welded it for a temp fix, brought it home for me when they got a replacement.
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PostSubject: Re: Craftsman GT3000 "MUTT"   Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:33 pm

Dodge? There is your problem LOL, But all kidding aside. I saw the post on FB and that sux.

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PostSubject: Re: Craftsman GT3000 "MUTT"   Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:11 am

Dodge gearboxes and industrial supplies like bearings and such seem to be pretty good to me. This thing was really not doing what it was designed for hahaha. It sucks, but how was i gonna know that it wouldn't break if i never put it to the test? Lol
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PostSubject: Re: Craftsman GT3000 "MUTT"   Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:28 am

Forgot I never linked this vid here.


Thinking about going back to the Snapper steering I had before, with some improvements. Haven't found a decently priced steering rack or box yet. Best I've found so far is this go kart steering rack, but I'm still not so sure I wanna spend that kinda money for it(yeah I'm cheap haha).

Also wanna see about making Mutt more suitable for long runs, expeditions and such. Maybe finally getting a decent battery, a winch, adding some storage, and possibly a reserve fuel tank. We'll see about that last one haha, but I'm for sure eventually getting a decent battery and winch.
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PostSubject: Re: Craftsman GT3000 "MUTT"   Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:08 am

Those are some good upgrade ideas Rich.  I found this steering box on ebay https://www.ebay.com/i/121925968066?chn=ps At least it's under $100.  If you went with the golf kart steering rack you would have to re-engineer almost all of your current steering setup.  I like your idea of going back to snapper steering because it would be cheap and easy to do.
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PostSubject: Re: Craftsman GT3000 "MUTT"   Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:49 am

That steering box looks pretty good. Still out of the budget since we have the buildoff going on soon. I do find it fun to reengineer stuff sometimes, but with the joints I'd have to do i might not actually like that haha. Would still be super skookum when i got it done though
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PostSubject: Re: Craftsman GT3000 "MUTT"   Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:33 am

I think my lt4000 is going to get the ford or a golf cart steering box. Then i can put on front suspension and get some flex.
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PostSubject: Re: Craftsman GT3000 "MUTT"   Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:29 am

Still think you need direct steering...
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PostSubject: Re: Craftsman GT3000 "MUTT"   Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:42 pm

@Double W Cross Ranch wrote:
Still think you need direct steering...

Oh god no. I think Doug taught us our lesson on why direct steering doesnt go in an offroader already haha. I wanna actually be able to steer this thing when I'm crawlin.
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PostSubject: Re: Craftsman GT3000 "MUTT"   Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:44 pm

Direct steer would be horrible for crawling. The bumpsteer would be outta control, hahaha. Good for a speed machine though.

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PostSubject: Re: Craftsman GT3000 "MUTT"   Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:52 pm

@AllisKidD21 wrote:
Direct steer would be horrible for crawling. The bumpsteer would be outta control, hahaha. Good for a speed machine though.

Not hinting anything here
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PostSubject: Re: Craftsman GT3000 "MUTT"   Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:58 pm

What? AK..... never. lol!

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PostSubject: Re: Craftsman GT3000 "MUTT"   Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:02 pm

Nellybelle's getting rebooted...not gonna lie...that's gonna happen....

Also, wheelers have direct steering.  I don't think it's too bad.
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PostSubject: Re: Craftsman GT3000 "MUTT"   Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:21 pm

The steering in the rat rod is geared like direct steer, pretty nice but not so good for rough terrain.

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PostSubject: Re: Craftsman GT3000 "MUTT"   Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:43 pm

Wheelers are quite a bit different than mowers though. You sit differently, they're balanced very differently, etc. Direct steering is just bad for big tires in general, I think.
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