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PostSubject: Murray widebody build   Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:18 am

Okay guys, i know its been a while since ive been here, but im finally getting a little free time, and ive got another mower that needs building. It is a mid 90s murray widebody. 17hp OHV tecumseh single cylinder. The rear end was an MST-206, until CQ stole it out from underneath it. ( Really it was his mower to begin with, he bought it for the rear end and intended to scrap it, until he realized it would be a much better build than my ranch king) So anyway, Just figured id start a thread for it. I am working on finding a rear end as i am typing this, and CQ is doing the same. Anybody have any ideas for this mower? id like to get a little input and make a plan before i start building. I want to build this thing right.
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PostSubject: Re: Murray widebody build   Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:51 am

Well, I see you started the thread in the Off-Road Rally section.  Things that are given.  Update the clutch pulley to a double pulley.  You will be happier if you do.  The most recognized for this is Fearlessfront.  If you end up with another mst 206.  I recommend the Doc Locker for that unless you have some super bad welding skills! I still like the Doc Locker. :-)

A good set of tires too.  Something you may want to consider as well.  That frame twists, depending on how hard you are on it or like in my case a bigger guy.  I'd figure some more bracing in there.  I put a belly plate on mine, but now I have limited access to the underside and belts.

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PostSubject: Re: Murray widebody build   Mon Jul 31, 2017 11:30 am

I'd recommend putting a sweet Murray GT hood on it!! Hahaha, but yeah double pulley clutch like mighty said would be a nice upgrade. Instead of finding an MST206, maybe a different transaxle? Like an 820 or something would be cool. I've never really seen anyone do suspension on one of these Murrays, so that would be interesting to see as well. Maybe some steering upgrades? There are lots of possibilities. Also where is CQ anyway? Haven't seen him on here in forever.
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PostSubject: Re: Murray widebody build   Mon Jul 31, 2017 7:06 pm

Okay. Here is the deal. Yes, a double pulley clutch like Fearless's was in the plan. idk about the hood, but if i find one, totally! For the transaxle, the initial plan was to use the 801 out of my king. Unfortunately, it pretty much needs a total rebuild and a new top half of the case. plus, the 800 series transaxles have more front mounts, and the pulley sits higher than those on the 900s or MSTs. So my issue was that i would already be loosing the front mounts, but then id have to space out the bolts in the axles to make the pulleys line up, which weakens it even more. id like to find a 930 or even a 920 if i am desperate. So basically, i am on the hunt for a transaxle. As of now, the murray is going behind the shed, where it will sit until i find a rear end. no sense in doing anything else until i get it running and driving. i would like to rid myself of the king. It was a nice first build, but more of a P.I.A. than anything. Thanks, MTD!
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PostSubject: Re: Murray widebody build   Mon Jul 31, 2017 7:09 pm

CQ has been heller busy. Ive only seen the kid 3 times this summer lol. He and i are planning one more get together. He finally finished his CQ, and i halfassed the king back together, so i think we are going to go be stupid (hopefully).
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PostSubject: Re: Murray widebody build   Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:15 pm

Make sure you have lots to video.... :-)

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PostSubject: Re: Murray widebody build   Mon Jul 31, 2017 9:07 pm

If he and i ever make it out there, ill definitely make sure to get some video. ill strap my phone to a place on the mower. its pretty dry, so i dont have to worry about a lot of water or mud, and seeing as its a samsung its pretty close to indestructible. its been through a lot worse. In addition to some nice riding through fields, side ditches, and trees, you will probably see the kings rear end grenade underneath it, because that seems to be the direction that it is heading.
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PostSubject: Re: Murray widebody build   Mon Jul 31, 2017 9:12 pm

Oh he finished the CQ? Nice! Hopefully he'll update us here hahaha.
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PostSubject: Re: Murray widebody build   Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:45 am

Yep, he finished the CQ. he said he would be on eventually once he got to a computer with decent internet. Just to let y'all know
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PostSubject: Re: Murray widebody build   Tue Aug 01, 2017 12:16 pm

Sweet! Should be cool. I also looking forward to seeing the Murray vs CQ showdown thats likely to happen hahaha.
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PostSubject: Re: Murray widebody build   Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:53 pm

Oh yes. If i get a rear end for the murray that is. Rear ends where i live are scarce. People around me either fix all their junk and use it until theres literally nothing left, are unwilling to part with their junk, or use modern stuff, like hydrostatic mowers, or large tractors with finish mowers. or zero turns, etc. Right now im in the process of finding one, but it might be a while before i get one. If anyone knows where to get a 900 series or an MST, PLEASE PM me. i dont want to leave the murray sit. i'm just itching to build this thing. but without a rear end, i have no choice but to park it.
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PostSubject: Re: Murray widebody build   Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:15 pm

I come back to you all from the land of RichieRichOverdrive with yet another Murray. This one was technically in Indiana, just through Madison. Anywho, 25 bucks for this one. MST-206, 17.5 OHV Briggs, and it isn't a widebody. It is the same frame, but with the narrower hood and more aggressive grille. I much prefer the style of this one. I didn't even open the hood to check the numbers on the engine I just got the reason it was parked, saw MST-206, and said I'll take it lol.

My plan is to build the one from today as TGH's new ride and use the widebody as parts. It still has the deck (new one doesn't), no trans, and the hood hinge is messed up. The new one will be much less work and has a better engine for modding. It seems those Teccys don't like to rev high.

I'll dedicate the whole next post to pics of both of them. First one will be the first one from a couple of weeks ago, then the one from today
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PostSubject: Re: Murray widebody build   Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:28 pm



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PostSubject: Re: Murray widebody build   Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:33 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Murray widebody build   Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:46 pm

Sweet deal! What are your plans for it CQ?
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PostSubject: Re: Murray widebody build   Sun Aug 13, 2017 9:05 pm

Well it's TGH's mower now. I think the consensus is 4 inch rear, 6 ish front. Knobby tires, and a super secret paint job. Bumpers too. We are still talking about those. It should end up something like the CQ. Light, quick, high revving, and decent on gas
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PostSubject: Re: Murray widebody build   Mon Aug 14, 2017 4:48 pm

yeah the current plan is 6 on the front, 4 in the rear. i want a nice low ish first gear for crawling and sh*t, and a decently fast 6th gear for transport. because i will be using this to drive around the gravel roads in the area where i live. got plenty of family in a 7 mile radius, and i want to be able to travel that distance pretty quickly. Idk about anyone else, but i like that newer murray better. the front looks way more aggresive. not scrapping the widebody though. ill probably stick it behind the shed as a spare in case i ever need it. or maybe CQ has plans for it, we dont know yet lmao
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PostSubject: Re: Murray widebody build   Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:12 pm

I have 6 on the front and 5 on the rear of mine. I still try to pop wheelies in 1st! LOL It's nice.

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PostSubject: Re: Murray widebody build   Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:29 pm

Okay yall, project murray is kicking off this Sunday! CQ and i finally got a date set up where he can come up here and we can do a little bit of working on it. Right now the plan is simply to get it running and strip off any unnecessary parts (all the mowing hardware)
Maybe if we have time time, ill romp it a bit, but that might come later.
Since i will have it at home, i will set up a foot throttle and disconnect the governor (Later on when i take it to the big shop to do pulley swaps and clutch rebuild, i will go through the engine as well and remove the weights from the governor gear )
Itll stay pretty much stock until i get a chance to take it to the big shop. Any suggestions/comments/concerns?
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PostSubject: Re: Murray widebody build   Wed Aug 16, 2017 9:44 pm

I like the Murray, other than a weaker frame, it has awesome custom build potential! I was down to a craftsman or a Murray when I was deciding and Todd sold me over in one of his video's about them.

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PostSubject: Re: Murray widebody build   Thu Aug 17, 2017 10:31 am

I like craftsman myself, no surprise there, but the steering on these murrays is way better than any craftsman. I think a solid belly pan like you have will help a lot and won't be to hard to unbold if you weld the nuts to the frame and just run the bold up through. Since you wouldn't have access up above the pan with a wrench. About 6 1/2 inch bolts oughta be enough and shouldn't collect much dirt if we limit openings
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PostSubject: Re: Murray widebody build   Mon Aug 21, 2017 9:21 am

Hay fellers. I made it up the @TheGreenHornet's lair yesterday with both Murrays. He was greeted by this:


We got the one we are building running within an hour. We found that the solenoid is bad, so we just jumped the terminals with a screwdriver. Fired right up! Didn't even have to open up the carb.

The lights even work! We changed the oil in the engine and trans just to get it out of the way, and added an elbow to the oil drain on the engine.

And he just insisted on making a straightpipe for it....


Some other information on them...the widebody is a 1994. The other one is an '02, 31 cubic inch I think...maybe 32. I cant remember now lmao.

Let us know what you think!
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PostSubject: Re: Murray widebody build   Mon Aug 21, 2017 9:34 am

Nice CQ! Now that I see a better picture of the newer one, it does have a pretty mean look to it. Whats going on with the bolts and the flange of that pipe? haha
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PostSubject: Re: Murray widebody build   Mon Aug 21, 2017 10:34 am

The original exhaust was a canister muffler that bolted to that little extension flange so we just used that. It rotated the mount for the flange we wanted to use AND added enough length to get the end of the pipe out of the hood. But we couldn't find any bolts to hold it on fast enough so we just used those to get the pic so I could go home.

Also, I did some measuring...this hood WILL fit a v-twin under it...just. barely.
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Pulley ratios look like 4 inch on the back and 5 on the front roughly
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PostSubject: Re: Murray widebody build   Mon Aug 21, 2017 10:47 am

Okay, so what is up with the pipe... the flange on the muffler had two sets of threaded holes on it. when i removed the stock muffler, one of the bolts broke off. so i filed it flush against the hole ( i will drill it out when i get the chance and put a bolt with a nut on the other side) but for the time being, i stuck the header/ straightpipe on the free holes, and used the bolt from the muffler that didnt break off and a head bolt from a 5 horse briggs. its not permanent i swear lol. i just did that because i was in a hurry. more than likely ill dig through my stash of bolts and find another muffler bolt and put the muffler back on for now. it was a bad idea to even mess with it at that point.
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