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PostSubject: Re: $25 1968 John Deere 110 Pre-Build   Wed Mar 07, 2018 2:39 pm

Yeah your connecting rod is screwed thoroughly. That's a definite connecting rod failure, and the valves on these kohler are very heavy duty and I think it would take quite a bit to get one stuck, also you said that when you put a screw driver in it and there was no piston movement or something
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PostSubject: Re: $25 1968 John Deere 110 Pre-Build   Wed Mar 07, 2018 2:44 pm

He said no valve movement either. Now I’m not sure exactly how these kohlers are put together, but I’m pretty sure if the con-rod was the only thing wrong the valves would still move
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PostSubject: Re: $25 1968 John Deere 110 Pre-Build   Wed Mar 07, 2018 2:59 pm

Hmmm
Could be the compression release mechanism
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PostSubject: Re: $25 1968 John Deere 110 Pre-Build   Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:29 pm

If I recal correctly you can't really tell if the piston and valves are moving with a screwdriver on these because the spark plug hole is directly above the combustion chamber, unless you got in on a weird angle or what have you. I thought about stuck valves too because it could easily happen if the engine sat outside for a long time. But since the crank can be spun so easily and have momentum, there's definitely something else very wrong. Even if a valve was stuck open there would be a bit of resistance due to the piston moving up and down in the cylinder.

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PostSubject: Re: $25 1968 John Deere 110 Pre-Build   Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:34 pm

Double, check the 2018 build off thread, Carl has something for ya! Lol

Yeah I thought so too, engines don't turn that freely normally
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PostSubject: Re: $25 1968 John Deere 110 Pre-Build   Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:41 pm

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Yeah I thought so too, engines don't turn that freely normally

Yeah, unforunately it might be kinda screwed. Probably be easiest to just swap the carb and stuff on one of the other engines after checking the internals and stuff.

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PostSubject: Re: $25 1968 John Deere 110 Pre-Build   Sun Mar 11, 2018 12:06 pm

Okay so here's why I think the con rod is snapped.

It also catches sometimes.
Okay, so build plans are:
Rear plow, probably will start with a sleeve hitch because I have one, lol, may upgrade to a 3 point
Front bucket
2 2,000 LBS winches, front and back
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PostSubject: Re: $25 1968 John Deere 110 Pre-Build   Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:10 pm

It'd hard for me to tell from that video exactly what is going on with that motor. I like your build plan. I would take 5 minutes and pull the head off this motor to see what's going on with the piston and valves. What do you have to loose?
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PostSubject: Re: $25 1968 John Deere 110 Pre-Build   Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:28 pm

Okay I'll go pull the head.  But it's going to take more than 5 minutes, lol.  I take pics and explain why when I'm done.
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PostSubject: Re: $25 1968 John Deere 110 Pre-Build   Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:40 pm

What? No cordless impact driver????
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PostSubject: Re: $25 1968 John Deere 110 Pre-Build   Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:12 pm

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What? No cordless impact driver????
Nope, way yonder too cheap!  JK, the head is held on with studs.  They were all seized, I couldn't fit my ratcheting boxed end wrench on it, and I had like half a centimeter to turn the wrench.  Not ideal, haha.

Okay so it's snapped.  Mad Evil or Very Mad

Valves look good though, might just swap the rod.

On a sidenote, I need a new carb.  That one, the butterflies are firmly seized in place.  Oh well, only $18.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Carburetor-For-Kohler-K-series-241-301-10-12HP-Cast-Iron-Engines-Carb-Cub-Cadet/222712299678?hash=item33dab0009e:g:h7AAAOSw8UZaA9A5
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PostSubject: Re: $25 1968 John Deere 110 Pre-Build   Sun Mar 11, 2018 5:40 pm

Yeah that’s a busted rod for sure. Try to find a Carter brand aftermarket carb. They’re dirt cheap too and I’ve heard good things about them.
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PostSubject: Re: $25 1968 John Deere 110 Pre-Build   Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:27 pm

Make sure when you remove and re-install the head you do it with the proper pattern. Don't wanna risk warping it, haha. Sucks about the con rod but it's no surprise I guess since you kinda figured that was the issue. Hopefully you can get 'er running again!

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PostSubject: Re: $25 1968 John Deere 110 Pre-Build   Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:13 pm

@AllisKidD21 wrote:
Make sure when you remove and re-install the head you do it with the proper pattern. Don't wanna risk warping it, haha.

And make sure to torque them to the proper torque when you put it together, because you are putting this back together.
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PostSubject: Re: $25 1968 John Deere 110 Pre-Build   Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:29 pm

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And make sure to torque them to the proper torque when you put it together, because you are putting this back together.


I agree very much so with both of these statements.

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PostSubject: Re: $25 1968 John Deere 110 Pre-Build   Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:35 pm

Liken said, your connecting rod is toast lol.
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PostSubject: Re: $25 1968 John Deere 110 Pre-Build   Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:38 pm

I actually just watched your video there, does this engine have an electric clutch? Or some sort of mechanical engage ones? I have a pto clutch from I think a wheel horse, it's two pieces; one is keyed to the crankshaft, one slides on the crank to engage the with the other one (it has a pullley on it). Or at least that's how I think it works. been a while since I looked at it.

Also I'd like to note that a used con rod is cheaper than a diesel
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PostSubject: Re: $25 1968 John Deere 110 Pre-Build   Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:00 pm

Or better yet, free out of one of the other two engines.

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PostSubject: Re: $25 1968 John Deere 110 Pre-Build   Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:02 am

@Crazy_Carl wrote:
Yeah that’s a busted rod for sure.  Try to find a Carter brand aftermarket carb.  They’re dirt cheap too and I’ve heard good things about them.
Alright!
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Make sure when you remove and re-install the head you do it with the proper pattern. Don't wanna risk warping it, haha. Sucks about the con rod but it's no surprise I guess since you kinda figured that was the issue. Hopefully you can get 'er running again!
Haha, yeah I will! 
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And make sure to torque them to the proper torque when you put it together, because you are putting this back together.
Oh now that's mighty demanding, hahaha!!! 

@biggasmowers wrote:
Liken said, your connecting rod is toast lol.
Yeah I'm going to swap it out of one of the others.
@RichieRichOverdrive wrote:
I actually just watched your video there, does this engine have an electric clutch? Or some sort of mechanical engage ones? I have a pto clutch from I think a wheel horse, it's two pieces; one is keyed to the crankshaft, one slides on the crank to engage the with the other one (it has a pullley on it). Or at least that's how I think it works. been a while since I looked at it.

Also I'd like to note that a used con rod is cheaper than a diesel
Actually it's manual, but I've never seen anything like it.  Doesn't work, though.
Yeah it is.  But I'm currently swapping one out of one of the others.
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Or better yet, free out of one of the other two engines.
Yeah better than nothing, at least I could sell the Kohler then.
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PostSubject: Re: $25 1968 John Deere 110 Pre-Build   Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:53 pm

If ypur still going for a diesel, look for old generators , as they can have air cooled diesel 10 hp motors and the engines can be fine but the generator is worn out. Maybe put an ad on craigslist.
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PostSubject: Re: $25 1968 John Deere 110 Pre-Build   Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:59 pm

Just remember though that a generator engine will have a tapered PTO journal, so a regular pulley won't work. Doesn't mean it's impossible, I'm just saying. Haha.

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PostSubject: Re: $25 1968 John Deere 110 Pre-Build   Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:34 pm

yeah I know. but hopefully I can make it work.  Worst case scenario I could get a pulley welded to the shaft hahaha.
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PostSubject: Re: $25 1968 John Deere 110 Pre-Build   Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:48 pm


Could just do this!
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PostSubject: Re: $25 1968 John Deere 110 Pre-Build   Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:02 am

Not super accurate. Or you could pull it out and have a machine shop turn it down.
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PostSubject: Re: $25 1968 John Deere 110 Pre-Build   Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:21 am

@biggasmowers wrote:
Not super accurate.  Or you could pull it out and have a machine shop turn it down.
Naw to much work!
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