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PostSubject: murray noma hybrid   Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:21 pm

I don't know if this actually deserves it's own thread or not, it's nothing special, or really a cool build like a lot of the others, but lets see how it goes, i'll try and get pics as I go but right now it's just in the early stages of the build, and we've all seen a stripped down mower chassis.
my plan is to take my old noma/dynamark mud mower and set it down on my murray lt frame, this is the noma body i'll be using for this build

the frame is coming out of my murray lt, which sadly has more issues than I want to deal with and I just like the looks of the noma better,
My plan is to completely strip the noma's underside, sort of like a going out of business sale, everything must go, if I can't unbolt it i'll cut it off, now I've had several ideas on what I wanted to do with this, originally I planned to just use the hi/low transaxle out of my brothers old yard machine gt directly driven off the engine, I did a test run with that transaxle on the noma and I got passed by a snail it's so slow, but it could probably pull a bus with ease, it was originally designed to use a veri-drive, so I started thinking, I have 2 murray LTs my old one that has a busted dash and is now stripped to the frame, but it had a mst205 originally, and my new LT widebody which had a mst202 and veri-drive, I swapped out the 202 for the 205, but the one thing I love about a murray chassis is everything unbolts and can easily be swapped into another murray chassis, so I decided to swap out the veri-drive on my widebody for the clutch setup under my old murray and use the veri-drive with the hi/low transaxle going into the noma build, this is not the end of it, once I get the noma on the murray frame I plan to use it to build my 4x6 mud /utility mower later on, my brother pulled a full size van with his yard machine before serious steering issues made us decide to just scrap it so I shouldn't have any trouble with it pulling an extra set of wheels as a 4x6
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PostSubject: Re: murray noma hybrid   Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:24 pm

Sounds like a build worthy of a thread to me. I look forward to some progress updates.
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PostSubject: Re: murray noma hybrid   Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:25 am

@Crazy_Carl wrote:
Sounds like a build worthy of a thread to me.  I look forward to some progress updates.
the main trouble is getting pics, I dropped my camera in rend lake last summer and haven't replaced it yet, so I have to rely on my brother to take pics with his phone for me. I don't touch cell phones, every time I do they start doing strange things and a few has even stopped working altogether after I held them, but i'll get as many as I can to show the progress and any mods I had to make especially when I start to extend the chassis for the 4x6 conversion.
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PostSubject: Re: murray noma hybrid   Fri Sep 28, 2018 4:30 pm

I have been lazy all week and haven't done squat on this build but hope to get to it this weekend, at the very least I plan to get the noma stripped down, before I can mate the 2 I have to get the veri-drive out from under my trail mower so I can get it mounted up to the murray frame and get the transaxle mounted up
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PostSubject: Re: murray noma hybrid   Sun Sep 30, 2018 3:41 am

well I managed to at least get the veri-drive switched over, pretty easy to do really, and only had to make one cut in my widebody floor board, now that that's mostly sorted out I can start on stripping down the noma, but 1st I plan to sit the transaxle under the murray chassis and get everything set up properly while I have easy access to it, just a little extra insurance to be able to check it out and work out any bugs in the drive line before I mount the new body on it, funny thing is now that i'm doing all this my brother wants to take his old mid 70s murray 11/38 out of storage and do something similar with it, personally i'd rebuild the 600series and keep it, it needs input bearings and has some broken mounting bolts in the housing, but he wants to go with a more modern mst or similar transaxle
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PostSubject: Re: murray noma hybrid   Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:08 am

it’s funny how builds inspire other builds, but that would be cool if you and your brother each had your own machine to ride on.
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PostSubject: Re: murray noma hybrid   Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:04 pm

interesting got any pictures?
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PostSubject: Re: murray noma hybrid   Sun Sep 30, 2018 10:32 pm

@SteamNut247 wrote:
interesting got any pictures?
not at the moment, all I've really done is strip the murray lt down to a bare frame and switch the veri-drive from my new-to-me murray lt widebody over to my old murray lt chassis that i'm using for this build, I switched the clutch setup that was under this chassis into my widebody, both are the same chassis, when I start the real work of actually mounting the murray chassis under the noma body I will be sure to get pics
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PostSubject: Re: murray noma hybrid   Sun Sep 30, 2018 11:23 pm

@Crazy_Carl wrote:
it’s funny how builds inspire other builds,  but that would be cool if you and your brother each had your own machine to ride on.
we do have several mud mowers and 3 actual mowers that do still mow, Jeremy, my brother, has his wheel horse b80 and a craftsman 2nd gen as well as a murray lt widebody with a 20hp vtwin and 46in deck, these are his runners, he also has the mid 70s murray 11/38 that's in storage, I have my murray widebody and the noma/murray hybrid i'm working on now as well as a murray gt, a saber with a 38in deck, the baby toro I picked up last week and a little john deer rer I plan to either fix up for my niece or make fast, haven't decided on that yet, we also have a newer yard machines 38in cut that we're slowly fixing with the intentions of selling it, oh and a john deer 125 hydro for when friends want to come over and go for a ride with us, we are not mower poor, although I might be selling the murray gt without the 23hp v twin or the 820 transaxle that's under it, I actually planned to strip it out and scrap the rest but a friend wants to buy it off me so I might sell it to him.
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PostSubject: Re: murray noma hybrid   Tue Oct 02, 2018 7:45 pm

decided not to be lazy and stripped down the noma to a bare chassis this afternoon, it came apart easily considering it hasn't ever been apart to my knowledge, only 2 mounts for the body to the pan were broken but nothing that a small washer wouldn't fix, but I have run into a couple problems, the 1st is easy, I can't get the steering shaft out of the noma dash, I could cut it or I could put new bushings in it and use the noma steering system, the gears all look really good so new bushings and grease would make it steer just fine, I would need to lengthen the drag link though because the noma has a shorter wheelbase than the murray, the 2nd issue is the transaxle I planned to use will not fit the murray frame, the mounts are to narrow and the slightly offset pulley hits the frame, the only way I can see around this is by cutting the murray frame and using the transaxle mounts on the noma pan since the transaxle mounted up perfectly under it, i don't think it would weaken the chassis, I planned to just cut the bottom and side of the frame rail leaving the top to mount to the pan, this will also leave me with the rear chassis rails intact for when I extend it later for the 4x6 conversion
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PostSubject: Re: murray noma hybrid   Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:11 am

I have realized I do have another option for the transaxle problem, I have a mst206 i'm planning on putting under my widebody, the mst205 under it could go into this, it did have an mst202 running on the veri-drive originally, I would then be able to run the murray frame without cutting it, I have the pulley off the original transaxle and I would need it to use the veri-drive anyway, the transaxle I planned to put in has a strange input for a heavy duty transaxle, it's a 7/16 splined shaft, even the transmission on my baby toro has a 5/8 shaft, if I do that i'm not sure what i'm going to do with the bigger hd axle but i'm sure i'll figure something out eventually, but will an mst205 doc locked, hold up to the stress of an added axle, the plan was to use sprockets and chain going from the axle shafts to the rear axle like murray mayhem did his murray-gator build.
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PostSubject: Re: murray noma hybrid   Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:02 am

Are you planning on having any kind of independent suspension on the rear of the gator?  I ask because you could run two chains from the 205 to the second live axle and that would effectively lock it.  The rare problem I see with the Doc Locker every now and then is a stripped keyway on the axle right where the locker hub is.
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PostSubject: Re: murray noma hybrid   Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:17 pm

@Crazy_Carl wrote:
Are you planning on having any kind of independent suspension on the rear of the gator?  I ask because you could run two chains from the 205 to the second live axle and that would effectively lock it.  The rare problem I see with the Doc Locker every now and then is a stripped keyway on the axle right where the locker hub is.
I wasn't planning on suspension but I was planning on running 2 chains, the main reason I planned to doc lock the 205 was to eliminate the stress point in the axle, and to prevent spider gear failure, plus I realized I will actually need a little more length in the axle so the tires clear the chains, unless I run a narrower tire, I realized another thing when I was trying to figure out exactly what to do, if I run the 2sp. like I planned and use the noma mounts i'll have a strength issue when I extend the frame because I will have to cut the rear of the noma pan out for the extension to go into place, this will remove all side to side support from the noma pan and make the mounts weaker,
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PostSubject: Re: murray noma hybrid   Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:29 pm

there is 1 other option, i'm not sure if i can figure out a way to hook it up but i have a good hydro in storage and i could run that, it's an older one, mid 80s, and in my experience they are pretty strong units, much stronger than any of these newer models, but i will have to pull it apart and fix an axle that came out plus clean it out before i can use it, i'm not looking for speed with this build just something that will dominate anything i can throw at it
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PostSubject: Re: murray noma hybrid   Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:52 am

You have a point there about doc locking it to gain longer axles to have room for the sprocket. 

A hydro would make a good candidate for a build like this but they are not fun to take apart and put back togther.
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PostSubject: Re: murray noma hybrid   Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:30 pm

@Crazy_Carl wrote:
You have a point there about doc locking it to gain longer axles to have room for the sprocket. 

A hydro would make a good candidate for a build like this but they are not fun to take apart and put back togther.
yeah I know, to be honest that's the one thing making me hesitate on using it, a standard transaxle I can easily tear down and reassemble, but a hydro is new territory for me, I should have kept the other one I had, it was ready to go, but a friend needed it for his grasscutter and I needed the money,
I do have a set of wheels that would allow me to use the stock axles, they are the original wheels that came on the noma when I got it, they have a very shallow back side, maybe an inch, not much more than a tires bead width, problem is one has a broken axle stuck in it and I haven't been able to get it out, I even beat on it with a 10LB sledge and it didn't budge, I guess I can find a machine shop around here and see if they can press it out,
i'm going to try and get some pics of everything laid out today, I really should replace my camera so I don't have to rely on my brother using his phone.
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PostSubject: Re: murray noma hybrid   Thu Oct 04, 2018 3:31 pm

here we go, finally got some pics to post, not much progress but a little.


as you can see by this pic i'm going to have to cut the noma pan to fit the longer murray frame
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PostSubject: Re: murray noma hybrid   Thu Oct 04, 2018 3:36 pm

other than some cutting on the front the murray frame fits inside the noma pan really nicely

even the steering column from the murray fits without modification

and finally the real reason why I like the noma better, I think this just looks better than the murray
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PostSubject: Re: murray noma hybrid   Thu Oct 04, 2018 6:08 pm

Nice work! I like how this project is going. I like the look of the Noma a lot too.
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PostSubject: Re: murray noma hybrid   Thu Oct 04, 2018 6:56 pm

Yeah that Noma is basically a dynamark.  That look is really popular these days.
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PostSubject: Re: murray noma hybrid   Fri Oct 05, 2018 1:49 am

I know noma, dynamark and a few others were all the same machines, and to be honest I don't actually know which this was branded as, the only thing with any name on it at all is a little sticker on the back of the pan that says noma on it, i like old things, old cars/trucks, old tractors and old mowers, i prefer the styling of them and how they were built to last vs. the way most modern things are made to be used for a few yrs and thrown away, I still prefer a flathead over the newer ohv engines, never had one let me down no matter how I abused it, but good flatheads are getting hard to find and I have to settle for what I can get, but then I do have 3 briggs 12hp flatties and 2 briggs 11hp flatties sitting around my garage, I have 2 14.5 ohv briggs sitting too and I think i'm going to need the little extra power to pull this in the future, so i'm using one of them instead of one of my flathead engines. hmmm wonder how hard it would be to put 2 of the 12s on here and make it a twin engine, ok maybe not.
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PostSubject: Re: murray noma hybrid   Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:30 am

the double frame is gonna be sweet
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PostSubject: Re: murray noma hybrid   Fri Oct 05, 2018 2:43 pm

come up against a bit of a problem i'm not sure how to work out just yet, and it has to do with engine placement and hood interference, i' going to have to do some test fitting to figure this out
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PostSubject: Re: murray noma hybrid   Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:47 pm

hijacking my own thread for a minute, because I just bought something for $100 I know some of you will be interested in, don't know what year but here it is




going to need some work, mostly cosmetic and the seat is trashed and loose, but the seller said it does run and drive just needs a battery and gas
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PostSubject: Re: murray noma hybrid   Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:01 pm

Plastic tank, black axle, Red dual stripe maybe a 76.  My guess the serial is 917.2595x x being some number I can't remember if it was month or something. Too bad the hitch plate is missing and the dash busted.

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