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PostSubject: mrshaft696's The Real Horse [2019 Build-Off Entry]    mrshaft696's The Real Horse [2019 Build-Off Entry]  Icon_minitimeMon Feb 11, 2019 9:04 pm

So this is what I'm gonna roll with 1969 Wheel Horse Commando 8, I did have a few other good projects but I know I can get this one done...

I did drive this tractor twice, it had a 8hp tecumseh engine that locked up on the second ride..... so now its out and my plan is to try and run a opposed twin turned 90 deg if I can get it to fit correctly.

I plan to sand smooth and do a clear coat and keep a rat roddy look, I want to run AG tires front and rear, whatever I can get to fit but not to big.  I know it needs some adjustments with the belts and pulleys etc.  Its gonna be kind of what I would call a "super stock" build, kind of the way it should have came from the factory but better...

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PostSubject: Re: mrshaft696's The Real Horse [2019 Build-Off Entry]    mrshaft696's The Real Horse [2019 Build-Off Entry]  Icon_minitimeMon Feb 11, 2019 9:28 pm

Good Luck!

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PostSubject: Re: mrshaft696's The Real Horse [2019 Build-Off Entry]    mrshaft696's The Real Horse [2019 Build-Off Entry]  Icon_minitimeFri Feb 15, 2019 10:05 pm

Good luck! I hope that opposed twin will fit in there.
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PostSubject: Re: mrshaft696's The Real Horse [2019 Build-Off Entry]    mrshaft696's The Real Horse [2019 Build-Off Entry]  Icon_minitimeSat Feb 16, 2019 12:49 am

I'm looking forward to this.
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PostSubject: Re: mrshaft696's The Real Horse [2019 Build-Off Entry]    mrshaft696's The Real Horse [2019 Build-Off Entry]  Icon_minitimeMon Feb 18, 2019 7:27 am

the engine I want to use does not fit exactly, its pushing on the gas tank really hard & it is all the way forward in the hole on the frame, if I was to get a pulley on it, it would end up being microscopic to not hit the steering etc in the front of the tractor...

I could fit some type of gas tank under the seat, I measured to put the battery there and it would fit, I guess with the opposed engine it would be able to pump the fuel from the tank, since it would be lower than the carb? I could also mount a more narrow gas tank lower than the original I guess & rear mount the battery.


I like the gas tank & really want to keep the battery under it, so I may have to go back to a single cyl flat head....or use the gas tank in another wheel horse.
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PostSubject: Re: mrshaft696's The Real Horse [2019 Build-Off Entry]    mrshaft696's The Real Horse [2019 Build-Off Entry]  Icon_minitimeMon Feb 18, 2019 9:57 am

why not just turn the engine 90 degrees and tastefully notch out the hood to accommodate the oppy? This is a modified tractor contest after all.
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PostSubject: Re: mrshaft696's The Real Horse [2019 Build-Off Entry]    mrshaft696's The Real Horse [2019 Build-Off Entry]  Icon_minitimeMon Feb 18, 2019 10:41 am

@Crazy_Carl wrote:
why not just turn the engine 90 degrees and tastefully notch out the hood to accommodate the oppy? This is a modified tractor contest after all.

I could but yeah I have to ruin a 50 year old hood. I will think about it... One of the coolest parts of it (just in my opinion) are the decals on the hood. Then I run back into the  problems with the exhaust exiting etc.  With the engine turned 90deg the intake & exhaust all clearance out the side of the tractor & just the engine cover is under the hood.

Just thinking about it now I could use a narrow tall tank, like from a newer MTD. I have to pull the tank out later and see if its even possible to get the engine in position that way. The tank is full of gas and I didn't feel like removing it last night.
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PostSubject: Re: mrshaft696's The Real Horse [2019 Build-Off Entry]    mrshaft696's The Real Horse [2019 Build-Off Entry]  Icon_minitimeMon Feb 18, 2019 10:56 am

Yeah I think leaving the cylinders parallel to the frame would be cooler, like you said you could leave the cool hood intact, and also it would be easier to do a sweet 2 into 1 header on one side! Hahaha.

Oh, and given the pulse pump on the oppy, you should be able to put the fuel tank anywhere you want.

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PostSubject: Re: mrshaft696's The Real Horse [2019 Build-Off Entry]    mrshaft696's The Real Horse [2019 Build-Off Entry]  Icon_minitimeMon Feb 18, 2019 12:23 pm

this is the other side all the stuff hangs out in the open..... the motor is really large for the tractor...

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PostSubject: Re: mrshaft696's The Real Horse [2019 Build-Off Entry]    mrshaft696's The Real Horse [2019 Build-Off Entry]  Icon_minitimeMon Feb 18, 2019 3:22 pm

@SebastianAlbrecht wrote:
I would go for @Crazy_Carl 's Idea with rotating the Oppy! The Carb needs to be under the Hood for protection! And if U dont want to damage the hood, Why not just raising the Hood a bit?


yeah I was going to do something so I could mount a cone filter over the carb, I thought it looked pretty cool hanging out, and Im pretty sure people have air filters sticking out of the hoods with no issues.

I don't think I can raise the hood easily because it has a mechanical latch, with a roller wheel thing & it sits level as it is, I would cut it before that...just in my preference..
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PostSubject: Re: mrshaft696's The Real Horse [2019 Build-Off Entry]    mrshaft696's The Real Horse [2019 Build-Off Entry]  Icon_minitimeMon Feb 18, 2019 4:52 pm

Yeah I've seen different tractor builds with oppys mounted that way, and they never seemed to have any issues with the carb/air cleaner sticking out. Also I definitely agree that it looks pretty cool!

If you can mount the engine this way without chopping up the hood real bad, I'd say go for it!

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PostSubject: Re: mrshaft696's The Real Horse [2019 Build-Off Entry]    mrshaft696's The Real Horse [2019 Build-Off Entry]  Icon_minitimeMon Feb 18, 2019 5:48 pm

How does the hood hinge work? Can't be too hard to lift.
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PostSubject: Re: mrshaft696's The Real Horse [2019 Build-Off Entry]    mrshaft696's The Real Horse [2019 Build-Off Entry]  Icon_minitimeMon Feb 18, 2019 8:36 pm

thanks all for your recommendations....

I mocked it up a little tonight with the engine front facing, and the good is it will let me fit a battery & keep the gas tank where it is... I will just have to notch the hood where it says "wheel horse" and have to get new decals or something....The steering gear & a bunch of stuff is right under the gas tank so it is basically not an area where anything can go...

I would also just need to run the muffler like what is on the simplicity im stripping down right now & it would all fit....

Looking at it tonight the deciding factor I need to determine 100% if i cannot fit a gas tank or battery with the engine turned 90 deg that idea is not gonna work, even though i like it better....

Everything fits with the engine front facing, Ill have to notch it & if im gonna do that im gonna cut a hole in the top of the hood for a cone air filter to stick up.... Maybe one more night messing around and taking measurements and ill know....

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PostSubject: Re: mrshaft696's The Real Horse [2019 Build-Off Entry]    mrshaft696's The Real Horse [2019 Build-Off Entry]  Icon_minitimeMon Feb 18, 2019 9:28 pm

Personally I love the carb hanging out the side it looks like a old hot rod
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PostSubject: Re: mrshaft696's The Real Horse [2019 Build-Off Entry]    mrshaft696's The Real Horse [2019 Build-Off Entry]  Icon_minitimeMon Feb 18, 2019 10:06 pm

@Creepycrawler wrote:
Personally I love the carb hanging out the side it looks like a old hot rod
I second this.
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PostSubject: Re: mrshaft696's The Real Horse [2019 Build-Off Entry]    mrshaft696's The Real Horse [2019 Build-Off Entry]  Icon_minitimeTue Feb 19, 2019 7:53 am

@Double W Cross Ranch wrote:
@Creepycrawler wrote:
Personally I love the carb hanging out the side it looks like a old hot rod
I second this.

Well one interesting thing about these tractors is the front end frame section from where the motor sits, is made of cast iron, and its bolted to the metal rear part of the frame section... that is a can of worms right there...
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PostSubject: Re: mrshaft696's The Real Horse [2019 Build-Off Entry]    mrshaft696's The Real Horse [2019 Build-Off Entry]  Icon_minitimeWed Feb 20, 2019 7:32 am

So this is a close up of the dilemma from this angle... I would need to cut into the tower in front of the steering wheel by at least 1/2" to mount the engine this way. Then that leaves what to do with the gas tank. I would need like a little 1 gallon tank or something.

The back of the tractor flips up sort and I could mount the battery there.

So cutting the hood might not seem that bad, have to keep thinking about it....

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PostSubject: Re: mrshaft696's The Real Horse [2019 Build-Off Entry]    mrshaft696's The Real Horse [2019 Build-Off Entry]  Icon_minitimeWed Feb 20, 2019 9:34 am

it sounds like this way will require a lot less hacking. The carburetor sticking out the side of the tractor would look cool with an aftermarket air filter on it. I have a predator tank laying around with broken mounts but you could zip tie it somewhere if you want it.
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@Crazy_Carl wrote:
it sounds like this way will require a lot less hacking.   The carburetor sticking out the side of the tractor would look cool with an aftermarket air filter on it.   I have a predator tank laying around with broken mounts but you could zip tie it somewhere if you want it.

Be pretty funny running it with a little gas tank like that, id have to carry a jerry can around... Oh well I have some time to figure it out... I know I could stretch the tractor, but... I just did that, not doing it this time. I just wanna run a big stupid engine.
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PostSubject: Re: mrshaft696's The Real Horse [2019 Build-Off Entry]    mrshaft696's The Real Horse [2019 Build-Off Entry]  Icon_minitimeWed Feb 20, 2019 10:11 pm

Just my two cents but that intake and carb hanging out the side is pretty sweet !
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PostSubject: Re: mrshaft696's The Real Horse [2019 Build-Off Entry]    mrshaft696's The Real Horse [2019 Build-Off Entry]  Icon_minitimeWed Feb 20, 2019 11:57 pm

Wouldn't be much to redrill 4 mounting holes for that engine so you don't cut the gas tank mount. Get some kind of cone air filter if you decide the leave the engine 90%. Some sort of separate exhaust that has a small 4 inch tractor supply muffler would be cool. Something that comes out of the port, and turns 45% back straight into the muffler.
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