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 Do you think my starter motor is dead and should be replaced?

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PostSubject: Do you think my starter motor is dead and should be replaced?   Do you think my starter motor is dead and should be replaced? Icon_minitimeFri Aug 24, 2012 7:14 am

Does anyone have an electric start for a Briggs 17 HP single? Mine will no longer barely turn itself over and it wont turn the engine over the compression stroke. I checked and cleaned all contacts, charged the battery, and even took one of my truck batteries and tried that. Still no good.
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PostSubject: Re: Do you think my starter motor is dead and should be replaced?   Do you think my starter motor is dead and should be replaced? Icon_minitimeFri Aug 24, 2012 9:19 am

have you taken the motor apart to check it? its it spinning in its bearing freely?
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I've been afraid to take it apart because I didn't want to mess it up any more than it may be. I can spin it, but it's a little stiff and it kinda squeaks a little when it's spun slowly. Don't know if that has anything to do with it. It just appears to lack the power to turn the engine over. I never could get the starter to turn the engine over the compression stroke without turning the engine back to the intake stroke so the starter could get a head start. Something ain't right with that.
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PostSubject: Re: Do you think my starter motor is dead and should be replaced?   Do you think my starter motor is dead and should be replaced? Icon_minitimeFri Aug 24, 2012 11:35 am

Not to scare you, but I had similar problem with a Kohler. Turned out to be a bad connecting rod. It was galled up and got very tight near the top of the stroke.
You might be lucky and it will be the starter, hope so!!
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I don't think it's the engine. The engine turns over pretty easy, even in the compression stroke. It just takes some effort to turn over the compression stroke. At least I know it has good compression. Plus, I took the spark plug out and turned the engine all the way over and it moved freely, so I don't think it's the engine. However, anything's possible.
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Have you checked the starter solenoid? That could posibiley be the problem. Its a lot cheaper than the starter too.
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How do ya know it's bad? I can hear the usual "Click" noise when I turn the key.
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Could be the ign switch also - ive had a couple go bad - id go thru and change them out - if one works, then youll have spares.
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PostSubject: Re: Do you think my starter motor is dead and should be replaced?   Do you think my starter motor is dead and should be replaced? Icon_minitimeSat Aug 25, 2012 11:20 am

@Tractor Man Jeff wrote:
I've been afraid to take it apart because I didn't want to mess it up any more than it may be. I can spin it, but it's a little stiff and it kinda squeaks a little when it's spun slowly. Don't know if that has anything to do with it. It just appears to lack the power to turn the engine over. I never could get the starter to turn the engine over the compression stroke without turning the engine back to the intake stroke so the starter could get a head start. Something ain't right with that.

I would suggest taking it apart if its a little stiff and it squeaks, it sounds like something is rubbing against something else or the bearings are shot. it should have a bit of resistance on the motors shaft when turning it by hand but it should not squeak.

If your starter is similar to the one on my 11hp briggs, they are a normal motor and not hard to take apart. the only thing you need to be careful of is the brushes and the brush springs. Just open it slowly and they should go flying off somewhere.

Do a youtube search on how to take one apart, motors are pretty simple compared to engines.
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I took it apart and it looks Ok inside. I used a socket and some small nails to get the brushes back on. They have very little wear. There is something wrong though. I had my dad look at it because he knows this stuff, and he said it should spin freely and not squeak. He said you should be able to quickly turn it and should slowly come to a stop. Sounds like a bad bearing to me.
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@Tractor Man Jeff wrote:
I took it apart and it looks Ok inside. I used a socket and some small nails to get the brushes back on. They have very little wear. There is something wrong though. I had my dad look at it because he knows this stuff, and he said it should spin freely and not squeak. He said you should be able to quickly turn it and should slowly come to a stop. Sounds like a bad bearing to me.

yeah the bearing is what im thinking.
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PostSubject: Re: Do you think my starter motor is dead and should be replaced?   Do you think my starter motor is dead and should be replaced? Icon_minitimeSun Aug 26, 2012 8:57 am

Could I get a new bearing for it, or do I have to get a whole new starter?
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You should be able to get a bearing easily enough but i think your biggest problem would be getting the old bearing off. If you can get it off, then a new bearing would be the best and cheapest option i think.
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I'll look at it again and see what I can do.
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PostSubject: Re: Do you think my starter motor is dead and should be replaced?   Do you think my starter motor is dead and should be replaced? Icon_minitimeMon Aug 27, 2012 9:31 pm

Good news guys, I fixed the starter and I didn't pay a penny. The starter had bushings, not bearings. They were bone dry. With a little grease, the starter spins much better. Now the engine will turn over much faster. It will even turn over the compression stroke without getting a head start. cheers
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Great, Glad to hear its fixed Very Happy
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