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PostSubject: Re: Li'l Red 3.0   Li'l Red 3.0 - Page 7 Icon_minitimeTue Jul 20, 2021 11:05 pm

Decided to narrow up the back a bit.  Now sits at 41.5 inches in the rear.

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PostSubject: Re: Li'l Red 3.0   Li'l Red 3.0 - Page 7 Icon_minitimeThu Oct 07, 2021 7:21 pm

Couple new glamour shots.... Was able to take a slow lap around the yard with it today.  Hoping the back continues to improve so I can take this guy off-road again.  Got to take the Daughter and test out Bowser sometime!


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PostSubject: Re: Li'l Red 3.0   Li'l Red 3.0 - Page 7 Icon_minitimeThu Oct 07, 2021 11:07 pm

Hope the back get to better quicker... I noticed I will need to do some Clutch fixing on Li'L Red.  It's not right....

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PostSubject: Re: Li'l Red 3.0   Li'l Red 3.0 - Page 7 Icon_minitimeWed Oct 20, 2021 2:47 pm

Once I get The Green Machine out of the garage, I'm going to pull in Red for the clutch fix.  At least I think it is the clutch.  It is a bit wobbly and something is really giving the grind on release.    Here is how it has been set up since 2016...

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If I hadn't chopped and reused some of the original clutch parts, I would consider going back to a single clutch.  I mentioned in my fleet post that I was going to put in the v-twin.  That was before I remembered I completely overhauled the oppy in Red and put in Irridium L-head plugs in it.  

I'm Not going to lie... there may be some parts from Kal go into red as well.

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PostSubject: Re: Li'l Red 3.0   Li'l Red 3.0 - Page 7 Icon_minitimeFri Oct 22, 2021 1:14 pm

im a big fan of this tractor those tires all around are just dreamy the only thing i never was a fan of is how the murrays look i have one and i like it but how lifted it its it just kinda looks funny.
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PostSubject: Re: Li'l Red 3.0   Li'l Red 3.0 - Page 7 Icon_minitimeFri Oct 22, 2021 1:38 pm

I like the hood of Red (opposed twin hood) over the hood on Bowser (single hood)

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PostSubject: Re: Li'l Red 3.0   Li'l Red 3.0 - Page 7 Icon_minitimeFri Oct 22, 2021 1:42 pm

wait the bigger hood is for a twin so my widebody lt was a twina dn its had a 15hp swap?
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PostSubject: Re: Li'l Red 3.0   Li'l Red 3.0 - Page 7 Icon_minitimeFri Oct 22, 2021 1:59 pm

It's possible to have had a single, but more likely used for a twin.

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PostSubject: Re: Li'l Red 3.0   Li'l Red 3.0 - Page 7 Icon_minitimeSat Oct 30, 2021 12:55 am

Going to perform some updates to Li'l Red again.  Not mentioned in the video... I will be going back to the single pulley clutch.  I left the single on Bowser and it seems to be much more fluid than Red's.  Also, less pulleys to fail.


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PostSubject: Re: Li'l Red 3.0   Li'l Red 3.0 - Page 7 Icon_minitimeSat Oct 30, 2021 8:02 pm

MightyRaze wrote:
Going to perform some updates to Li'l Red again.  Not mentioned in the video... I will be going back to the single pulley clutch.  I left the single on Bowser and it seems to be much more fluid than Red's.  Also, less pulleys to fail.


Thats because of how a belt system engages. It doesn’t so much “clutch” as it “grabs”. O amount of trying to ease i to a belt will ever make it clutch like a friction disc. You can slip it sometimes, ut most time its just feeling for it to grab. The rubber in the belt makes the engagement range so small, it usually just reaches a point where it grabs the pulley and then its essentially “self energizing”.

Using two belts on two pulleys just makes the engagement point even smaller and thus, “grabbier”.

Its a limitation of how the belt drive works. Nothing to do but try your best to be smooth and a cept that its going to grab and jump sometimes.

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PostSubject: Re: Li'l Red 3.0   Li'l Red 3.0 - Page 7 Icon_minitimeMon Nov 01, 2021 12:03 am

Teardown has started for the winter clutch rebuild.  I'll probably take it upon myself to work some other issues I may encounter along the way like a disconnect for the winch so it quits drawing battery power.  Another point of concern was my gas pedal cable hanging out there.  It mostly fits under the hood, but it has been a point of concern for brush grabbing it and snagging it.  That's a few things I'll look into for now.  I have decided not to refresh any paint at this time.  No one has any!!!  Li'l Red 3.0 - Page 7 252588580  Not going to pay 7-12 a can online.  Other than some character marks, the paint is actually fine.

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Going to take my time.  I have a few months, and what I do can help with some back therapy.  Just got to make sure I don't lift too much and not lift and twist.

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PostSubject: Re: Li'l Red 3.0   Li'l Red 3.0 - Page 7 Icon_minitimeMon Nov 01, 2021 8:19 am

Red paint is rarer than hens teeth here too. As is yellow and orange. Strange, very strange….
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PostSubject: Re: Li'l Red 3.0   Li'l Red 3.0 - Page 7 Icon_minitimeMon Nov 01, 2021 9:43 am

Rustbucket Garage wrote:
Red paint is rarer than hens teeth here too. As is yellow and orange. Strange, very strange….

All the walmarts around here are out of about 97% of all the spray paint.  They have a couple odd colors no one will ever use.  Good time for Krylon and Rustoleum to see what is still out there for discontinuing.  LOL

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PostSubject: Re: Li'l Red 3.0   Li'l Red 3.0 - Page 7 Icon_minitimeWed Nov 03, 2021 3:45 pm

Slow progress this week.  Weather change has made my back a little bit sorer than it had been.

Here is the clutch and the idler to keep the belt clear of the shifter...

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There is some congestion in there, but it works out. 

I have the double pulley stuff removed...

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I've already got the single pully spring inserted in that picture as well.

Here you can see the bent pulley arm.  I should have gone much thicker, but at the time I built it, it was all I had.  I'll keep it handy as should the single pulley for some reason not work, I'll recreate this with a thicker stock.

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Next time I post, I should have the single installed.

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PostSubject: Re: Li'l Red 3.0   Li'l Red 3.0 - Page 7 Icon_minitimeThu Nov 04, 2021 10:27 am

yikes, with the clutch setup bent like that did the belt ever come off ?
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PostSubject: Re: Li'l Red 3.0   Li'l Red 3.0 - Page 7 Icon_minitimeThu Nov 04, 2021 12:03 pm

MN mudder wrote:
yikes, with the clutch setup bent like that did the belt ever come off ?

Yeah it came off several times at Haspin this year.  Last time it really got ridden.

What kind of jank is this?

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Yep, that is a can lid screwed to the side of that pulley.  The flat surface was wrapped with black electrical tape.  I expected a better discription from a 99% positive several thousand reviewed person on ebay.  I guess you can't win them all.  I was going to change it anyways... but.

The clutch arm was also bent a bit.  I'm pretty sure I can fix that as well.  Again, maybe a fair to poor shape discription instead of "used".  Sheesh.

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PostSubject: Re: Li'l Red 3.0   Li'l Red 3.0 - Page 7 Icon_minitimeThu Nov 04, 2021 9:41 pm

The ebay seller should invest in a ‘safety’ can opener. That will make stronger lids available for repairs. Cool

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PostSubject: Re: Li'l Red 3.0   Li'l Red 3.0 - Page 7 Icon_minitimeFri Nov 05, 2021 2:13 pm

HAHA!

Single pulley reinstalled.

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Now to put the new engine pulley on and find a belt.  I think I may already have one in stock.

I have determined the drum brake is doing nothing for me. I will be uninstalling that.

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PostSubject: Re: Li'l Red 3.0   Li'l Red 3.0 - Page 7 Icon_minitimeSat Nov 06, 2021 11:17 am

I was contemplating a double pulley clutch on my two Murray built Lawn General machines (my first builds) but decided to start out with factory clutch system so I could have a starting point to compare future mods to. Looks like I chose well lol. I also had a tensioner pulley in the same location but removed it before I tried it because I have read that its better to have it on the slack side of the belt. You are not the first Ive seen have the tensioner on the tight side of the belt path. Have you experienced any problems from this or is it urban legend? It would certainly help in getting a proper size belt installed and clearing the belt from contacting the shift shaft
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PostSubject: Re: Li'l Red 3.0   Li'l Red 3.0 - Page 7 Icon_minitimeSat Nov 06, 2021 1:03 pm

You talking about the black pulley in my picture?  It's just a static pulley to keep the belt off the shifter and my vent hose.  I don't use it for tension.  I can already tell that I am going to get more surface of the belt on the rear transaxle with the single pulley.

At least that is my theory.
Red-single pulley
Blue-double pulley  

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hmm hmm hmm

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PostSubject: Re: Li'l Red 3.0   Li'l Red 3.0 - Page 7 Icon_minitimeSat Nov 06, 2021 2:30 pm

The reason for the clutch to be on the ‘slack’ side of the drive belt is simple: the pull from the drive pulley would tend to release the clutch if it were on the other side. The best way for a V-belt to transmit power is in a straight line. MR’s drive uses straight lines, no movement on the drive side.
It doesn’t matter much, other than belt wear from bending more, what happens on the other side, as long as the belt gets traction. I like to have the belt wrap around the drive and driven pulleys as much as possible. The factory Craftsman setup tends to pull the belt away from the drive pulley in stock configuration.
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PostSubject: Re: Li'l Red 3.0   Li'l Red 3.0 - Page 7 Icon_minitimeSat Nov 06, 2021 2:37 pm

As far as brakes are concerned, Amazon has a LOT of disk brake options, many quite inexpensive. I would like to attempt to install one in the stock Peerless silly/tiny brake disk position. I think there is room. Maybe some day.

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PostSubject: Re: Li'l Red 3.0   Li'l Red 3.0 - Page 7 Icon_minitimeSat Nov 06, 2021 11:42 pm

@MightyRaze I see... it appeared that some adjustment was possible in said black static pulley, but I see where it would interfere with the clutch pulley. My next build is a widebody where I intend to swap the mst-206 with an 820. I've been meaning to investigate your build and am just now getting into reading it so don't spoil the ending, just kidding lol. So I noticed something in your photo different than all of my mst equipped murrays. The shift shaft that comes out of the transaxle has the tab where the linkage connects. All the murrays I have seen have the linkage connected with the hitch pin on the bottom of the tab, where here it is on top of the tab. Was this for alignment with the 820? It looks close to where the mst tab is. I shall see soon enough lol

@Nevadablue Thanx, that was concisely informative and is definitely a game changer for me in some upcoming builds.
PS- That brake configuration is exactly what I was talking about in another thread "craftsman mudder brakes"

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Dang you guys making me think!  I think the shift rod was a little longer on the 820 transaxle so I went under?  I'll check my pix.

Here is my original setup when I tore it down the first time ever when it still had the mst206. 

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Here is the 820 when I got it.  It didn't have that arm.

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Yeah it was a height and location thing.  That is the reason for the flip.  On the left was when the mst206 was in... on the right is the 820 being in.

Li'l Red 3.0 - Page 7 Shifte10

Hope this helps...

ps, looks like the arm could have been flipped over to keep the connector on top?  Works either way.   Li'l Red 3.0 - Page 7 1098998679

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Oh.. something else I dealt with.  I may fix this while I have it torn down now, but the drive pully on the 820 appears to be a bit higher on the 820 than the mst.  I remember being able to get a belt over the pulley, but I cannot on the 820 without loosening the brackets for the shifter crossing over it.  I have some good metal stock I can raise the frame off the transaxle a bit more.

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PostSubject: Re: Li'l Red 3.0   Li'l Red 3.0 - Page 7 Icon_minitimeSun Nov 07, 2021 1:51 am

@Dr Bob  A very PIC intensive post.

I busted out the MST206 I had and aligned it up on Red with the 820 for more "accurate" measurements.

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The shift rod is in the exact same location on both...

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As I mentioned earlier, the 820 had a much longer input shaft.

The 206 had a height around 3 5/8 inches.

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The 820 I have came in at about 5 7/8 inches.

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I also did a pulley height.  Also, as I had expected.  From the frame mount to the top of the input pulley on my 820 is taller than the MST.

MST frame mount to top of pulley came in just over 4.5 inches.

Li'l Red 3.0 - Page 7 Img_2622

You can't see the pulley, but... 820 frame mount top of pulley came in about 5 1/16 inches.
 
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This was good for me, now I know I need about a half inch lift in the rear.  Time to take the time and get things right.

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