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PostSubject: Re: Li'l Red 3.0   Li'l Red 3.0 - Page 2 Icon_minitimeJanuary 20th 2021, 10:22 pm

It’s your call, but I would keep the oppy just because they sound cool Li'l Red 3.0 - Page 2 2731072446
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PostSubject: Re: Li'l Red 3.0   Li'l Red 3.0 - Page 2 Icon_minitimeJanuary 21st 2021, 10:51 am

Yeah, I think I'll keep the oppy for now, or at least till it croaks.  LOL.

While thinking this morning about the project.  A "duh" type moment hit me like a ton of bricks. I'm a smart guy, not sure why I didn't think of this in the first place.  The arrangement of my shocks are severely limiting articulation.  I have them literally going straight up and down.

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I should have them slanted and drawn in a little further.  / \

That would probably make them flex more and ride even smoother.

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PostSubject: Re: Li'l Red 3.0   Li'l Red 3.0 - Page 2 Icon_minitimeJanuary 21st 2021, 11:05 am

I just realized only things I have done to the oppy in this tractor is change the sump gasket and pto side oil seal.  I bet this thing would benefit with some new head gaskets.

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PostSubject: Re: Li'l Red 3.0   Li'l Red 3.0 - Page 2 Icon_minitimeJanuary 22nd 2021, 12:51 pm

@MightyRaze i'm about to do the same basic thing on a 14hp oppy and put it in my build off tractor, but google is stupid, or i am, and i can't find the part numbers for the gaskets and seal, i have no experience with these engines, so if you can give me a little help with the seals and pan gasket part numbers i'd appreciate it, it's my understanding that the seal and pan gaskets are the same for all 14 to 20hp briggs opposed twins
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PostSubject: Re: Li'l Red 3.0   Li'l Red 3.0 - Page 2 Icon_minitimeJanuary 22nd 2021, 2:18 pm

Shoot me your model-type and I can get you the exact part #'s.  Mine was a 495868 for the engine gasket set.

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Little teaser for later...

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PostSubject: Re: Li'l Red 3.0   Li'l Red 3.0 - Page 2 Icon_minitimeJanuary 23rd 2021, 12:53 am

Time to re-evaluate my path as it has somewhat changed.


  • Plans are open, but I think I may take a stab at a custom frame. if it does not cost too much.
    Scrapped, cost too much for right now.
  • Put in the 21HP Vtwin
    Scrapped, engine needs some repair.  Will hold for another day. 
  • Better front suspension and front frame.  Do the shocks need angled?  
    Still need to plan out.
  • While the tires are good, maybe upgrade them.  Put these on other tractors.
    Rear tires swapped over to garden tractor wheels.  Hubs installed on rear axle.  Waiting now for rear axle nuts.  Front tires purchased, waiting on tubes.
  • New Exhaust planned
  • Backup drum brake adjusted.
    Not needed.  Left alone.



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PostSubject: Re: Li'l Red 3.0   Li'l Red 3.0 - Page 2 Icon_minitimeJanuary 23rd 2021, 6:46 am

angling the shocks will soften the ride, i'm not sure how to put it exactly, but with them at an angle they will feel softer, and will give more articulation as well, one of the strange facts i've learned building rc rock crawlers which have coil over oil filled shocks similar to what you have on red, and where do i find the model number, is it on the flywheel cover like the singles?
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PostSubject: Re: Li'l Red 3.0   Li'l Red 3.0 - Page 2 Icon_minitimeJanuary 23rd 2021, 9:47 am

darkside0914 wrote:
angling the shocks will soften the ride, i'm not sure how to put it exactly, but with them at an angle they will feel softer, and will give more articulation as well, one of the strange facts i've learned building rc rock crawlers which have coil over oil filled shocks similar to what you have on red, and where do i find the model number, is it on the flywheel cover like the singles?

Yes either the cover like a single or on the side tins.
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darkside0914 wrote:
angling the shocks will soften the ride, i'm not sure how to put it exactly, but with them at an angle they will feel softer, and will give more articulation as well, one of the strange facts i've learned building rc rock crawlers which have coil over oil filled shocks similar to what you have on red, and where do i find the model number, is it on the flywheel cover like the singles?
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PostSubject: Re: Li'l Red 3.0   Li'l Red 3.0 - Page 2 Icon_minitimeJanuary 23rd 2021, 11:37 am

What kind of exhaust do you plan to add? (also thank you for linking me to Sasquatch II- amazing job with that build!)
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PostSubject: Re: Li'l Red 3.0   Li'l Red 3.0 - Page 2 Icon_minitimeJanuary 23rd 2021, 11:55 am

ok on the side tin it says model 400707
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PostSubject: Re: Li'l Red 3.0   Li'l Red 3.0 - Page 2 Icon_minitimeJanuary 23rd 2021, 4:57 pm

darkside0914 wrote:
ok on the side tin it says model 400707
Excellent, shoot me the type #s too and I can shoot you a link to your exact manual and parts list. 

Looking for 400707-xxxx-xx

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PostSubject: Re: Li'l Red 3.0   Li'l Red 3.0 - Page 2 Icon_minitimeJanuary 24th 2021, 1:18 am

the entire number sequence is 400707 0111 02 85031512 it came off a square body craftsman like this one on the forum https://www.atltf.com/t6543-my-1988-craftsman
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PostSubject: Re: Li'l Red 3.0   Li'l Red 3.0 - Page 2 Icon_minitimeJanuary 24th 2021, 1:26 am

darkside0914 wrote:
the entire number sequence is 400707   0111 02 85031512  it came off a square body craftsman like this one on the forum https://www.atltf.com/t6543-my-1988-craftsman

https://www.briggsandstratton.com/na/en_us/support/results.multiStepManualSearch.html?searchrequested=400707-0111-02

Looks like your set is 394501. Which is also 495868 like mine.

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PostSubject: Re: Li'l Red 3.0   Li'l Red 3.0 - Page 2 Icon_minitimeJanuary 24th 2021, 2:40 am

@MightyRaze thanks for the help, i've only had 1 of the opposed twins and then got rid of it, we thought this one was junk until i decided to take a closer look inside, it had some loose head bolts that i think was what made it smoke and it looks like it was only firing on one cylinder, the valves open and close normally and the pistons have no slop at all, the cylinders look good, no scratches and a very tiny ring ridge at the very top, so i think replacing the coil, plugs, seals, and either rebuilding or replacing the carb should get it running nicely
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Front end is missing. BigGrin
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PostSubject: Re: Li'l Red 3.0   Li'l Red 3.0 - Page 2 Icon_minitimeJanuary 25th 2021, 5:06 pm

if you lived closer i'd offer you some of this rectangular steel i have, it's 1x3 i think and looks to be 1/8in thick, it was the main support legs from some large shelves being thrown out at our local dollar store
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Just my 2c but if you have the front axle out would it be a good time to upgrade it? It looks like you have already braced your spindles judging by the picture but I think @Murraymountain had his bend at one point. I won’t tell you what to do though and I am certain you will have a very capable machine either way!
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PostSubject: Re: Li'l Red 3.0   Li'l Red 3.0 - Page 2 Icon_minitimeJanuary 25th 2021, 9:03 pm

Actually the Widebody axles are about as good as it gets without going cast iron. It's everything surrounding it that's the problem. Mighty deleted all that and with the suspension, it would be very unlikely to bend anything.

The main reason mine died (the axle was fine though) is because I cut off a lip (on the motor mount plate) that I didn't think was necessary. That was a big mistake since I have no suspension. Matter of fact, the new one is hurting a little. Of course, I definitely don't jump mine and run it through ruts and rocks at high speed on a weekly basis so I don't know why it's breaking scratch.

Anyway, Mighty will be fine with his axle. I kinda wanna see how it holds to some hardcore abuse because there's several people who love to hate on the Widebody (not the regular Murray axle) stamped steel axle and praise they're stamped craftsman axles that snap in half on grass cutters.
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Good to know, thank you! I forgot all about his suspension work (which is fantastic). Sorry for the bad advice, I guess I went blank there. Embarassed
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Before I start... I hate Forumotion added the "Current Time" button to the reply toolbar. Hate that it makes the bar wrap to a second line...

BaCk On ToPiC. . .

darkside0914 wrote:
if you lived closer i'd offer you some of this rectangular steel i have, it's 1x3 i think and looks to be 1/8in thick, it was the main support legs from some large shelves being thrown out at our local dollar store

Man, that sounds perfect. I was thinking about 1x3 by 8'.

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Just my 2c but if you have the front axle out would it be a good time to upgrade it? It looks like you have already braced your spindles judging by the picture but I think @Murraymountain had his bend at one point. I won’t tell you what to do though and I am certain you will have a very capable machine either way!

Axle isn't too bad. I did upgrade the nylon bushings to brass. I also added a few more welds to the seam. If I upgraded again, I would either go with a craftsman axle like Kal, or build my own.

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Actually the Widebody axles are about as good as it gets without going cast iron. It's everything surrounding it that's the problem. Mighty deleted all that and with the suspension, it would be very unlikely to bend anything.

Yep! Although, I would almost think a cast iron would be a downgrade possibly. They tend to snap when you get them too bound up. I would rather go for the bend. To me, the best actual upgrade that wasn't homebuilt would be to go to a Sears Suburban front axle. Talk about heft!

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PostSubject: Re: Li'l Red 3.0   Li'l Red 3.0 - Page 2 Icon_minitimeJanuary 25th 2021, 11:32 pm

MightyRaze wrote:
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Actually the Widebody axles are about as good as it gets without going cast iron. It's everything surrounding it that's the problem. Mighty deleted all that and with the suspension, it would be very unlikely to bend anything.

Yep!  Although, I would almost think a cast iron would be a downgrade possibly.  They tend to snap when you get them too bound up.  I would rather go for the bend.  To me, the best actual upgrade that wasn't homebuilt would be to go to a Sears Suburban front axle.  Talk about heft!

Yeah that's why I love my Widebody axles. You can't beat the strength to weight ratio.

I definitely wouldn't do cast iron on a build with suspension. I don't even know if that's possible. Seems like if you drilled a hole or did any welding it would create a weak/stressed spot.

And if jumping/rocky trails are in the future... Well, cast iron would definitely not be good.
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PostSubject: Re: Li'l Red 3.0   Li'l Red 3.0 - Page 2 Icon_minitimeJanuary 26th 2021, 9:58 pm

Nice job on the wheel studs! I did the same thing to Brutus and I ran into the same problem with finding bolts that didnt have a shank on them. I just ended up buying some grade 8 bolts the right length and then I used a 7/16 20 die and threaded them the rest of the way down......took forever, and it was pretty tight since the shank is a little bit bigger in diameter than the threads but ended up having to do 2 sets cause I guessed wrong on the length, cause I didnt have my wheel spacers yet. (Story of my life. lol) But the second ones I did worked perfectly!

Heres the first ones I made. Figured I'd use them on something else one day.
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Thanks! What I had worked out really well!

So this happened today.

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