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RichieRichOverdrive wrote:
Ah, ok, figured you’d have gone to an 820.

Yeah, splitting the case is whatever, I just hate having to scrape out all the silicone to seal it back up.

I think this weekend, the 820 is coming out of Li'l Red and into Bowser.  I don't hardly get Red out anymore.

The MST205 I fear has done the same thing as the 206 did and shattered that brass bearing on the brake.  Won't know till later.  I don't feel like busting it open again to find out right away.  I'll just stick the mst in Red.
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The 205 has been removed.  It's really hot out.  I'll need to swap Red Bandit and Li'l Red later today in the garage.  I really need a shop fan.   (2001) Murray Widebody LT - Bowser - Page 10 1f613

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PostSubject: Re: (2001) Murray Widebody LT - Bowser   (2001) Murray Widebody LT - Bowser - Page 10 Icon_minitimeTue Jul 02, 2024 12:35 pm

Decided to work in 15 minute intervals from time to time. Really like to get this done.

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I guess at this point I am almost half way. Need to swap input pulleys and call it good for re-install.


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PostSubject: Re: (2001) Murray Widebody LT - Bowser   (2001) Murray Widebody LT - Bowser - Page 10 Icon_minitimeTue Jul 02, 2024 2:03 pm

Took me a while but I went through every page.  Nice build here.  I have the same Murray but with a vari-drive.  Thinking of doing something with it at a later date.  

Question for you.  Did you make any changes to the front axle?  Pivot, weld on plates, etc...

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PostSubject: Re: (2001) Murray Widebody LT - Bowser   (2001) Murray Widebody LT - Bowser - Page 10 Icon_minitimeTue Jul 02, 2024 2:36 pm

@torgo This tractor, I did not do any mods to the front axle.  It is still stock.

The 820 is now installed!

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With the 820, she is a bit wider.  If an issue, I can easily bring it in with some spacers and a lock collar.


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     Marshal ........................93 Craftsman GT6000      
     Red Bandit ...................72 Wheel Horse Raider 12
     Dirty Rat........................77 Sears Suburban
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     The Green Machine ....1990 Craftsman II GT18     
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PostSubject: Re: (2001) Murray Widebody LT - Bowser   (2001) Murray Widebody LT - Bowser - Page 10 Icon_minitimeTue Jul 02, 2024 5:59 pm

Swap is done. Mostly, need new lug studs in the MST but I have at least 2 lugnuts in each side for now.

Anyways...

YES! To go from a mower with no brakes to a mower still with NO BRAKES.... Looks like the pucks are worn out. Time for new or make new. See what I have. That and I may look into making a new brake rod that is more "solid". The old Murray one is a little too weak in the spring.


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     Marshal ........................93 Craftsman GT6000      
     Red Bandit ...................72 Wheel Horse Raider 12
     Dirty Rat........................77 Sears Suburban
     Bowser...........................01 Murray Widebody LT
     The Green Machine ....1990 Craftsman II GT18     
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PostSubject: Re: (2001) Murray Widebody LT - Bowser   (2001) Murray Widebody LT - Bowser - Page 10 Icon_minitimeWed Jul 03, 2024 8:34 am

I still think you should try a drum brake!
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I dunno...


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     Marshal ........................93 Craftsman GT6000      
     Red Bandit ...................72 Wheel Horse Raider 12
     Dirty Rat........................77 Sears Suburban
     Bowser...........................01 Murray Widebody LT
     The Green Machine ....1990 Craftsman II GT18     
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PostSubject: Re: (2001) Murray Widebody LT - Bowser   (2001) Murray Widebody LT - Bowser - Page 10 Icon_minitimeWed Jul 03, 2024 11:52 am

Cut a couple holes in the floorboard and Flintstone that bad boy lol!

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I have come to the conclusion that MST and Peerless 820 brakes are no more than parking brakes.  Actual stopping isn't happening.  New pucks work, if I adjust the brake half engaged.  I turned my transaxle disk brake blue to heat and had it smoking.  Still didn't stop.  Going to think about other ideas.  Maybe a yerf dog brake on the rear.


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     Marshal ........................93 Craftsman GT6000      
     Red Bandit ...................72 Wheel Horse Raider 12
     Dirty Rat........................77 Sears Suburban
     Bowser...........................01 Murray Widebody LT
     The Green Machine ....1990 Craftsman II GT18     
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Mutts stock brakes would lock up the wheels no problem. I used chunks of old car brake pad and they still wore out pretty quick. That’s most of the reason I went away from the stock brakes. I did however have a 2ft long lever with a crazy amount of mechanical advantage, not a clutch brake

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Yeah, I'm planning splitting the brake and clutch.  Honestly, it could make it safer as you can continue to brake on a hill should you stall and left off the clutch safely without rollback.  Kind of like a hill-hold.  My daughter says she thinks she could handle it fine.

I think the way Murray does brakes is just horrible. One thin spring-rod. I think it gives too much and allows the brakes to give too much.


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     Marshal ........................93 Craftsman GT6000      
     Red Bandit ...................72 Wheel Horse Raider 12
     Dirty Rat........................77 Sears Suburban
     Bowser...........................01 Murray Widebody LT
     The Green Machine ....1990 Craftsman II GT18     
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The spring on the rod is a terrible design on any tractor. Gotta have a hard pull to really make them stop.
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SO... did a little test tonight.

I ziptied the spring on that silly rod...  and it worked PERFECTLY!  Like it was meant to work.  I locked them up going a little fast backward and almost flipped the tractor backward.  Came back to the garage hot and it again locked them up GOOD.

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     Marshal ........................93 Craftsman GT6000      
     Red Bandit ...................72 Wheel Horse Raider 12
     Dirty Rat........................77 Sears Suburban
     Bowser...........................01 Murray Widebody LT
     The Green Machine ....1990 Craftsman II GT18     
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Then again, it was designed for 18 inch tall tires going 1-5 MPH.  Not 22's going 10+.

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     Marshal ........................93 Craftsman GT6000      
     Red Bandit ...................72 Wheel Horse Raider 12
     Dirty Rat........................77 Sears Suburban
     Bowser...........................01 Murray Widebody LT
     The Green Machine ....1990 Craftsman II GT18     
Other projects
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My stock brake locked up 26s! Lot of mechanical advantage with a trans brake.

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I figured out the issue!!!  The Murray brake rod for MST is about 1/2 inch too long for an 820.  I have another brake rod in my parts pile.  Shortened it the 1/2 inch and now I can lock them up on asphalt doing 25mph.
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     Marshal ........................93 Craftsman GT6000      
     Red Bandit ...................72 Wheel Horse Raider 12
     Dirty Rat........................77 Sears Suburban
     Bowser...........................01 Murray Widebody LT
     The Green Machine ....1990 Craftsman II GT18     
Other projects
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I now have good brakes...  and good steering on Bowser.  Outside the push steer but that is the product of a locked rear end.



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     Marshal ........................93 Craftsman GT6000      
     Red Bandit ...................72 Wheel Horse Raider 12
     Dirty Rat........................77 Sears Suburban
     Bowser...........................01 Murray Widebody LT
     The Green Machine ....1990 Craftsman II GT18     
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As an added Bonus...

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     Red Bandit ...................72 Wheel Horse Raider 12
     Dirty Rat........................77 Sears Suburban
     Bowser...........................01 Murray Widebody LT
     The Green Machine ....1990 Craftsman II GT18     
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     Red Bandit ...................72 Wheel Horse Raider 12
     Dirty Rat........................77 Sears Suburban
     Bowser...........................01 Murray Widebody LT
     The Green Machine ....1990 Craftsman II GT18     
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