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PostSubject: Snapper 4X4   Snapper 4X4 Icon_minitimeMay 24th 2010, 6:40 am

i have wanted to do this for a long . long . long time so i got a frame and am going to make it four wheel drive Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

uploading videos of my little 50cc mini quad and the snapper, i dont have an engine, but plan on building the frame first anyway the swapping the 11hp from my rally, just to see if it works and then get another for the rally....

first thing that is planned to happen is mount the gearbox that is on it sideways in the center of the frame, then run two drive shafts to two identical transaxles with BIG tyres.. this with a 5 speed thats on it in the middle will allow 5 + reverse gears on the move around, although the two transaxles will allow another 5 gears , making 25 forward gears and 5 reverse! allowing me to speed down my road OR going crawling offroad...

the only problem is the steering which i cant think of any help would be appreciated! im going to post pics a little later but i have posted a video of my snapper and quad; https://www.youtube.com/user/bigbleuboy

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PostSubject: Re: Snapper 4X4   Snapper 4X4 Icon_minitimeMay 24th 2010, 6:57 am

this sounds cool.
sounds like it will be like a transfercase on a truck. cheers i like this build
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PostSubject: Re: Snapper 4X4   Snapper 4X4 Icon_minitimeMay 24th 2010, 7:26 am

thanks dude!

here are some pictures

dis is ma snapper Twisted Evil
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first thing i did when i got it home was take the deck off! i have no experience with this kind of thing so it took a while

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the steering setup looks near identical to the AL-KO mudding tractor on here!

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and finally one last one with the hood off

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biggest problem i can see is between the steering and/or the identical transaxle's...

again i ask please can i get ideas for the steering! THANKS affraid
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PostSubject: Re: Snapper 4X4   Snapper 4X4 Icon_minitimeMay 24th 2010, 9:19 am

Hmm, steering is always the issue with these ideas! Only way I can see it to fab up the front axle with 2 Universal joints at each end. Could be tricky. As for drive, you can get a T drive unit for the rear. For the front though you'll want a differential, maybe something from a rear engine rider? Just go through ebay and see what you can find, that kidna stuff isnt too hard to get!
That 50 looks awesome too

My only question right now it, what transmission does the snapper have? Snappers were renowned for their friction disc drive set-ups. Not a bad set up, but not sure it would work for what you want. Can you see a proper transaxle on it?
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PostSubject: Re: Snapper 4X4   Snapper 4X4 Icon_minitimeMay 24th 2010, 10:23 am

im pretty sure its a peerless "sameasmyotherone" transaxle.

not sure what you mean cause i think that the diff on the front would mean that the front would be spinning at the same speed constant ally meaning that the it would scrape on the ground, dunno, i think ill explain my idea better...

turn a transaxle, locked, in the center turned sideways, then attach two drive shafts to either end then run them to two identical transaxle's allowing alot more gear variations, they would be fixed at an angle reducing stress on the drive shaft. the steering will most likely be the hard part but if i put two U pieces of metal onto the transaxle and run two "mini" driveshafts to the wheels.... better ideas welcome!
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PostSubject: Re: Snapper 4X4   Snapper 4X4 Icon_minitimeMay 24th 2010, 11:58 am

Oh, you you'd use 3 transaxles? affraid wow. that would be cool.
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PostSubject: Re: Snapper 4X4   Snapper 4X4 Icon_minitimeMay 24th 2010, 12:32 pm

yeh! i thought that would be the best way to get gears and axles too
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PostSubject: Re: Snapper 4X4   Snapper 4X4 Icon_minitimeMay 24th 2010, 3:16 pm

Only real issue i see is youd have to somehow make 3 shifter levers all acessable - or crawl underneath to change em.

To run a driveshaft to the front/rear transmissions, youd need to mount the transmissions straight up and down instead of horizontal .

Cool idea tho.
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PostSubject: Re: Snapper 4X4   Snapper 4X4 Icon_minitimeMay 24th 2010, 6:39 pm

i would only make the center gear lever accesible and the other two would be crawl-time
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PostSubject: Re: Snapper 4X4   Snapper 4X4 Icon_minitimeMay 26th 2010, 7:57 am

i have realized that the transaxle one the snapper is toast, ill open it up at my uncles tonight or at the weekend although im not hopeful, i have made a request in the wanted section for 3 transaxle's, one with as many gears as possible for the centre and two that are identical ones for the axles front and rear.....

if you know anyone with such a thing then ill pay max £50 including shipping, but frees always good!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Snapper 4X4   Snapper 4X4 Icon_minitimeMay 26th 2010, 9:44 am

What's wrong with the tranny? Could be rebuildable!

http://tinyurl.com/34mrmpy

Looks for those on ebay, theyre tough axles and come up alll the time! SHame to see so many westwoods being parted out though! I have 4 of them, tough machines!
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PostSubject: Re: Snapper 4X4   Snapper 4X4 Icon_minitimeMay 26th 2010, 10:56 am

how much money do you think ill have to spend? and if you have could you sell me some, keep money circulating in the forum Cool

what do you mean by balancing? i just thought connect any-old piece of metal to either end and that would do...
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PostSubject: Re: Snapper 4X4   Snapper 4X4 Icon_minitimeMay 26th 2010, 11:36 am

The shafts would have to be balanced otherwise they would spin themselves apart by being off centre etc.

Ive not got any spare axles sorry man. Otherwise I'd let you have one for shipping! Im really not sure how much you'll have to spend. Could be expensive. This might have to be a long term project if you wanna do it on the cheap, idk about you but I can never get freebies!
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PostSubject: Re: Snapper 4X4   Snapper 4X4 Icon_minitimeMay 26th 2010, 11:54 am

mmm yeh cant get anything cheap here, everyone is to stuck up to just give stuff away, or the attitude of "O i can fix that"

ahh well.....
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PostSubject: Re: Snapper 4X4   Snapper 4X4 Icon_minitimeMay 26th 2010, 1:18 pm

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mmm yeh cant get anything cheap here, everyone is to stuck up to just give stuff away, or the attitude of "O i can fix that"

ahh well.....

Yup! Exactly the same with me. My mates dad (hes a farmer, says it all really!) has an old westwood thats does work sitting in a barn, and wont sell it to me! Its just rotting away. The deck was savable first time I saw it, now theres not much left of it!
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PostSubject: Re: Snapper 4X4   Snapper 4X4 Icon_minitimeMay 26th 2010, 1:52 pm

Farmers have that " i can always use that for something" attitude - i tried to get my dads cousin's husband to sell me one of the snowmobiles he's had sitting in his garage for over 10 years - he was like " nope" - theyd rather let them sit and rot away then sell them.
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PostSubject: Re: Snapper 4X4   Snapper 4X4 Icon_minitimeMay 26th 2010, 5:20 pm

dam i feel sympathetic i've done stuff like that before....

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PostSubject: Re: Snapper 4X4   Snapper 4X4 Icon_minitimeMay 26th 2010, 6:13 pm

So you want something like this? Snapper 4X4 P_8_035
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PostSubject: Re: Snapper 4X4   Snapper 4X4 Icon_minitimeMay 26th 2010, 10:51 pm

That would be awsome for a 4x4- id hate to see how much one costs tho....looks like a basically stock trans with those universal ends on em ( like a bolt on affair) ...hmm gives me an idea of attempting to make one...sometime....
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PostSubject: Re: Snapper 4X4   Snapper 4X4 Icon_minitimeMay 27th 2010, 7:22 am

wow i say if i could get 2 of them then i would have 4 wheel turning!!!!!!!!!!

YEA I WANT THEM

EDIT: just found two exact same peerless 5 transaxle s both come with tyres although the tyres are different

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Westwood-sit-lawn-mower-axle-gear-box-and-wheels-/230479775749?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Home_Garden_GardenPowerTools_CA&hash=item35a9aa4805#ht_500wt_1154

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Ride-mower-Peerless-5-Speed-Gear-Box-Axel-Tyres-/320538360586?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Home_Garden_GardenPowerTools_CA&hash=item4aa1933b0a#ht_500wt_1154

now i just need an income! pale silent
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PostSubject: Re: Snapper 4X4   Snapper 4X4 Icon_minitimeMay 27th 2010, 12:04 pm

I hear that! Money is the main issue here. But 4wd would be awesome. Couldnt you sell your soul or something? lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Snapper 4X4   Snapper 4X4 Icon_minitimeMay 27th 2010, 1:38 pm

Ropertractor14 wrote:
So you want something like this? Snapper 4X4 P_8_035
Sweet! Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: Snapper 4X4   Snapper 4X4 Icon_minitimeJune 4th 2010, 8:24 am

right was out last night, trying to get the axle off the tractor to see how i would mount it.... but i wouldn't come off Evil or Very Mad so im going out in a moment to try again, hopefully ill have more luck this time alien
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PostSubject: Re: Snapper 4X4   Snapper 4X4 Icon_minitimeJune 4th 2010, 9:48 am

kk guys i found the transmission and were to buy it. i think im gonna go for it and put it on torque. for 250$ i think its a good deal.

http://www.billphil.com/product_info.php?pName=peerless-4-wheel-steer-transaxle-craftsman&cName=transaxles-hyd-mechanical&osCsid=41b4eb75e92b5030e084e77c196e6cff
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PostSubject: Re: Snapper 4X4   Snapper 4X4 Icon_minitimeJune 4th 2010, 11:31 am

hey dude awesome, wish i had that to spend! you will have to get a video of it running so i can get ideas for it, i want to find parts for it (just the steering part though)

i have stripped the mower down but am going away at the weekend so wont have any updates till then!
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