torque converter setup on mud mower

ok thank you.

Your welcome- please note that I edited more info into that post.

do chains work ok horizontal? or should the sprockets stay vertical if you use a cvt?

For the most part, the chain should be fine, but- if it's a long chain run and the chain starts to droop too much, you might have to engineer a spring-loaded tensioner or a couple support wheels.

ok. sounds good. i may try that how well would a #40chain hold up to mud and water? i had a #35 chain i ran for a month on a hydro doin 12 mph until it snapped and ripped up my sprockets

Sorta like this it's not the exact one but it shows what it looks like
https://www.denniskirk.com/380803.sku?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cse&gclid=CLP-jaOMzLgCFcJj7AodsGcAmg

crazykid1994 wrote:

ok. sounds good. i may try that how well would a #40chain hold up to mud and water? i had a #35 chain i ran for a month on a hydro doin 12 mph until it snapped and ripped up my sprockets

Buy good chain and it will do fine . Buy cheapo Chinese, and you get what you pay for.

My race tractor, my Yammy warrior quad, and the OLs quad all run #40 O ring chain. Keep the chain clean and lubed, and it will last a long time with no worry's about slip.

For horizontal installations keep the run short to avoid droop/sag, or as Doc suggested, fab up a Teflon/nylon supports for it..

PS mud and water wont make a chain slip, ever, unless you let it get so bad that the sprockets are hooked, and the chain is stretched.

All you have to do is clean it afterwards.

A good chain wax on a well maintained o-ring chain will give you years of service.

Put the chain drive in a case with an oil bath, and a #40 chain should be able to handle 30 hp for quite a while.

redlinemotorsportts wrote:

Doc Sprocket wrote:

crazykid1994 wrote:

setting up for chain would be annoying. and plus. chain clutches are centrifugal brakes. they wouldnt take pulling and mudding very well and would slip

Dude... What?

Chain drives are dead easy to set up, and are a lot less touchy than a belt tensioner clutch. Chains don't slip! And what on earth do you mean by "centrifugal brake"???

A Comet 40 series is a good choice, IF you can manage to keep it reasonably clean and dry. You could use a jackshaft to move it upwards in the chassis. I will be using my Comet 40 on a tractor soon. Either on a rework of the MULE, or I might build MULEII.

MULEII? Sounds nasty, sounds like a racing mower, *cough cough thunderdivine*

WHAT

Thunderdivine wrote:

redlinemotorsportts wrote:

Doc Sprocket wrote:

crazykid1994 wrote:

setting up for chain would be annoying. and plus. chain clutches are centrifugal brakes. they wouldnt take pulling and mudding very well and would slip

Dude... What?

Chain drives are dead easy to set up, and are a lot less touchy than a belt tensioner clutch. Chains don't slip! And what on earth do you mean by "centrifugal brake"???

A Comet 40 series is a good choice, IF you can manage to keep it reasonably clean and dry. You could use a jackshaft to move it upwards in the chassis. I will be using my Comet 40 on a tractor soon. Either on a rework of the MULE, or I might build MULEII.

MULEII? Sounds nasty, sounds like a racing mower, *cough cough thunderdivine*

WHAT

Oh nothing, nothing.   LOL

redlinemotorsportts wrote:

Thunderdivine wrote:

redlinemotorsportts wrote:

Doc Sprocket wrote:

crazykid1994 wrote:

setting up for chain would be annoying. and plus. chain clutches are centrifugal brakes. they wouldnt take pulling and mudding very well and would slip

Dude... What?

Chain drives are dead easy to set up, and are a lot less touchy than a belt tensioner clutch. Chains don't slip! And what on earth do you mean by "centrifugal brake"???

A Comet 40 series is a good choice, IF you can manage to keep it reasonably clean and dry. You could use a jackshaft to move it upwards in the chassis. I will be using my Comet 40 on a tractor soon. Either on a rework of the MULE, or I might build MULEII.

MULEII? Sounds nasty, sounds like a racing mower, *cough cough thunderdivine*

WHAT

Oh nothing, nothing.   LOL

Remember they're all Replica's  

How does a centrifugal clutch hold up to mudding?

crazykid1994 wrote:

How does a centrifugal clutch hold up to mudding?

Worse than a CVT but easier to cover.

But to cover something half hearted is wrose than no cover.

Its like doing something 99% waterproof, you just keep the moist locked in.

so whats the point than?... how is chain better if everything has to be sealed.... might as well run a sealed cvt off the engine to a chain

crazykid1994 wrote:

so whats the point than?... how is chain better if everything has to be sealed.... might as well run a sealed cvt off the engine to a chain

Yea a sealed CVT is the best way. Still you can't really beat the easyness of a belt setup. Just do a proper clutch and tensioner.

if you could manage to plug all the holes on the CVT it's self like the mounting plate and cover then drill a 1" hole for PVC tubing you could very well make a snorkel for it ive done this on a yamaha wolverine its pretty simple on a atv but a setup like this can be a bit tricky

Jay_Rod wrote:

if you could manage to plug all the holes on the CVT it's self like the mounting plate and cover then drill a 1" hole for PVC tubing you could very well make a snorkel for it ive done this on a yamaha wolverine its pretty simple on a atv but a setup like this can be a bit tricky

Good idea,
But its the driven unit that is the "torque sensing unit" aka moves like a bitch when wet.

well ill see what i do if i ever build the project this is related to. i want it to be my mini swamp buggy project. torque converter obviously is gunna be used to ease the stress on the engine from running large atv tires. do you think a fnr tranny will hold up to 22-25" tires? max speed around 5-8 mph hopefully

Jay_Rod wrote:

if you could manage to plug all the holes on the CVT it's self like the mounting plate and cover then drill a 1" hole for PVC tubing you could very well make a snorkel for it ive done this on a yamaha wolverine its pretty simple on a atv but a setup like this can be a bit tricky

If it's a Comet 40, that's all but impossible. The model 40 (I have one and can post pics if need be) is composed of two completely separate units. There is NO mounting plate, NO cover. Open air. Hell- they don't even get mounted to a common point.

FWIW- I have used my Comet 40 in rain and snow and really didn't have too much trouble with it. The only thing I would worry about is if it's actually submerged. Getting mud in it would be a bad thing, too.

And Jay- I have a burnt Wolverine that I am restoring. I might have to pick your brains for some info.

lol ok doc and this wolverine has been sunk alot also i have installed a ram air intake on a CVT system for a minibike same for the intake

I had 28s on my fnr

Did it ever strain or anything?

Nope still had torque to

Ok good to know :p how fast do you think an dnt would go 1:1 ratio from the engine