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PostSubject: torque converter setup on mud mower   torque converter setup on mud mower Icon_minitimeWed Jul 24, 2013 3:52 pm

do you think a torque converter would work well. i have a gas pedal
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PostSubject: Re: torque converter setup on mud mower   torque converter setup on mud mower Icon_minitimeWed Jul 24, 2013 5:28 pm

What kind of torque converter are you referring to?
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PostSubject: Re: torque converter setup on mud mower   torque converter setup on mud mower Icon_minitimeWed Jul 24, 2013 6:40 pm

possibly a gokart centrifugal torque converter clutch
http://www.bmikarts.com/40-Series-Torque-Converter-Driver-1-Bore-_p_1035.html
like this one
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PostSubject: Re: torque converter setup on mud mower   torque converter setup on mud mower Icon_minitimeWed Jul 24, 2013 6:42 pm

Ya I think that would work good but if ur gonna put a centrifugal clutch on it why not do chain drive less slippage
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PostSubject: Re: torque converter setup on mud mower   torque converter setup on mud mower Icon_minitimeWed Jul 24, 2013 6:57 pm

setting up for chain would be annoying. and plus. chain clutches are centrifugal brakes. they wouldnt take pulling and mudding very well and would slip
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PostSubject: Re: torque converter setup on mud mower   torque converter setup on mud mower Icon_minitimeWed Jul 24, 2013 6:58 pm

The 40 series Comet copy is very good.
But depend what you mean by offroad, and you will have to keep it bone dry.

Same cvt's are used in ATV's. But then they are boxed in as part of the engine in a watertight box.

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PostSubject: Re: torque converter setup on mud mower   torque converter setup on mud mower Icon_minitimeWed Jul 24, 2013 6:59 pm

Ya well by offroad we mean flooded trails over the fenders
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PostSubject: Re: torque converter setup on mud mower   torque converter setup on mud mower Icon_minitimeWed Jul 24, 2013 6:59 pm

oh:( i mean like mudding and going through water. how would i keep it dry than?
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PostSubject: Re: torque converter setup on mud mower   torque converter setup on mud mower Icon_minitimeWed Jul 24, 2013 7:01 pm

@crazykid1994 wrote:
oh:( i mean like mudding and going through water. how would i keep it dry than?

it won't Razz

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it wont stand water?
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PostSubject: Re: torque converter setup on mud mower   torque converter setup on mud mower Icon_minitimeWed Jul 24, 2013 7:02 pm

@crazykid1994 wrote:
it wont stand water?

No, and def. not water and mud.

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PostSubject: Re: torque converter setup on mud mower   torque converter setup on mud mower Icon_minitimeWed Jul 24, 2013 8:13 pm

is there a setup i could do than that you may know of?
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PostSubject: Re: torque converter setup on mud mower   torque converter setup on mud mower Icon_minitimeWed Jul 24, 2013 9:21 pm

@crazykid1994 wrote:
setting up for chain would be annoying. and plus. chain clutches are centrifugal brakes. they wouldnt take pulling and mudding very well and would slip

Dude... What?

Chain drives are dead easy to set up, and are a lot less touchy than a belt tensioner clutch. Chains don't slip! And what on earth do you mean by "centrifugal brake"???

A Comet 40 series is a good choice, IF you can manage to keep it reasonably clean and dry. You could use a jackshaft to move it upwards in the chassis. I will be using my Comet 40 on a tractor soon. Either on a rework of the MULE, or I might build MULEII.


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PostSubject: Re: torque converter setup on mud mower   torque converter setup on mud mower Icon_minitimeWed Jul 24, 2013 9:26 pm

@Doc Sprocket wrote:
@crazykid1994 wrote:
setting up for chain would be annoying. and plus. chain clutches are centrifugal brakes. they wouldnt take pulling and mudding very well and would slip

Dude... What?

Chain drives are dead easy to set up, and are a lot less touchy than a belt tensioner clutch. Chains don't slip! And what on earth do you mean by "centrifugal brake"???

A Comet 40 series is a good choice, IF you can manage to keep it reasonably clean and dry. You could use a jackshaft to move it upwards in the chassis. I will be using my Comet 40 on a tractor soon. Either on a rework of the MULE, or I might build MULEII.

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PostSubject: Re: torque converter setup on mud mower   torque converter setup on mud mower Icon_minitimeThu Jul 25, 2013 6:29 pm

i had a chain setup. ran 35 instead of 40 which was a mistake and snapped my chain which took the hub and sprockets with it
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PostSubject: Re: torque converter setup on mud mower   torque converter setup on mud mower Icon_minitimeThu Jul 25, 2013 6:30 pm

id still need a clutch?
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PostSubject: Re: torque converter setup on mud mower   torque converter setup on mud mower Icon_minitimeThu Jul 25, 2013 7:05 pm

Nope. CVT's perform clutching in addition to varying the drive ratio. From a basic mechanical standpoint, it has a built-in centrifugal clutch.

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PostSubject: Re: torque converter setup on mud mower   torque converter setup on mud mower Icon_minitimeThu Jul 25, 2013 7:11 pm

i mean with the chain. the reason why i wanted the cvt was for the automatic clutching and variable speed
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PostSubject: Re: torque converter setup on mud mower   torque converter setup on mud mower Icon_minitimeThu Jul 25, 2013 7:46 pm

You have entirely lost me. I thought you wanted to know if you needed a clutch with a CVT. What are you asking?

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PostSubject: Re: torque converter setup on mud mower   torque converter setup on mud mower Icon_minitimeThu Jul 25, 2013 8:45 pm

did you go back to the beginning? i was asking if a torque converter would be good offroad
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Oh, I did read the whole thing. The basic concept is that it'd be fantastic off road, if you can manage to keep it reasonably clean and dry. I plan to do this by using a jackshaft to relocate it.

...Then you asked if you'd still need a clutch. I said "no". After that- nothing.

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PostSubject: Re: torque converter setup on mud mower   torque converter setup on mud mower Icon_minitimeThu Jul 25, 2013 9:18 pm

oh sorry the clutch question was refering to the person who mentioned running a chain. and if i build my swamp buggy ill run my engine high enough that i can just put that. if i run a double pulley tensioner with a lockout to stop it from keeping the belt tight with a torque converter would that work do you think? so its tight all the time without running a cvt setup? or would i have to run driver and driven?
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PostSubject: Re: torque converter setup on mud mower   torque converter setup on mud mower Icon_minitimeThu Jul 25, 2013 9:20 pm

the tensioner being that when i give throttle and the torque converter starts doing its thing and pulls the belt where the tensioner starts working then
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PostSubject: Re: torque converter setup on mud mower   torque converter setup on mud mower Icon_minitimeThu Jul 25, 2013 9:45 pm

Back to my previous answer then- you do NOT need a clutch (of any kind- not centrifugal clutch nor tensioner required).

For clarification- a "torque convertor" IS a CVT. CVT is the proper term for it, and it consists of 2 parts- driver and driven. You must use both parts.

Usually, the output IS a chain, but you can use a belt. The output belt should remain tight at all times..

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ok thank you.
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