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@richie thomas wrote:
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i reckon it doesn't match your build style, but that rusty patina would be beautiful on a rat rod style build

Yeah I love that rusted look (but it had to get the rust to stop), and this will be somewhat of a Rat Rod Look in the end I think, Idk yet.
I'll let you decide in the end.  Very Happy 
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Did two coats on the flipside, really deep rust there.
This is after two coats.
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Will buff it tomorrow!

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Here is the final seat, all Buffed / Polished. - Not sealed yet tho.

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Maybe if you have a hammer and a metal block on the backside and straighten out that back lip. Looks a little wavy.

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@redlinemotorsportts wrote:
Maybe if you have a hammer and a metal block on the backside and straighten out that back lip. Looks a little wavy.

It is very wavy, but its untouched original vintage, and I like it  Very Happy 

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Hmm. I was thinking about adding a seat spring to mine, like what they got on sears suburbans. I wonder if I can weld it without it deforming

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@redlinemotorsportts wrote:
Hmm. I was thinking about adding a seat spring to mine, like what they got on sears suburbans. I wonder if I can weld it without it deforming

Sure you can, do tiny bits at the time.

Do they have the U-bent flat stock spring or a normal spring?

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Started on Styling, while waiting for parts, and Who doesn't like LED's? Well obviously the muppet thumbing down the video  Very Happy 



Well after some thinkering on how to mount these LED STROBE's so they stay hidden until powered on.
Let the pics do the talkin'  cheers 


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Quite tight for room, but it should go,
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Two in the front, and three on each side,

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To be continued...  Razz 

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iiiiiiiiiik, obvisously I had forgotten how much fibreglass dust, - dust, so I only got to DREMEL some reversed Zorro's for the LED strobe mount holes.

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Also got an angle iron for the hood measured and cut. - It will be used to bolt the whole Hood / grill assembly down.

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I have s set of those mini strobes. Work great at night, suck in the daytime.

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I have s set of those mini strobes. Work great at night, suck in the daytime.

Yeah, still good bang for the buck.

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Spindle Surgery, "eliminate the camber that was".

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10* camber in the spindle mount, needs to be re-verted to 0* degree or less, so we do this in the spindle.

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Used a temporary shim as a spacer, since the weld will try to pull the gap together again.

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Voila 0* or about 1 degree all welded up.
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I was wondering why you put the camber in the axle when you already had it in the spindle? Wouldn't it have been easier to make the axle straight and leave the camber in the spindles?

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I was wondering why you put the camber in the axle when you already had it in the spindle? Wouldn't it have been easier to make the axle straight and leave the camber in the spindles?

This is to get the Kingpin Inclination at 10 degrees (KIP), so im really at 0* camber. But as you give steering input left or right, you get more and more camber.

If i understood what you asked correctly  Razz 
Someone correct me if i described this wrong, but kno what i mean.

Umm i might be mixing up the terms here, tired but yea it add's stability at high speed's  Very Happy

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Right. The kingpin inclination IS the caster and camber. The angle at which the axle is to the horizon is something else entirely. Some guys like to split the difference, but that's up to the designsr's preference. Id on't think it matters that much. The main thing the designer wants is the kingpin to be as close to the center of the tire as possible. This is why cars have deep rims and the steering knuckles are actually inside the rim.
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Well we gotta see it as ONE unit.

Easy explained here:

Copied from another page, http://www.mech.uq.edu.au/courses/mech3100-old/steering/s1.htm

FRONT WHEEL GEOMETRY

The above analysis should be of help in getting the kinematics right. One also needs to be careful about the geometry around the wheel itself. The local wheel steering geometry determines how the forces and the moments are transmitted and is an important consideration. The steering axis for the wheel is not vertical but inclined in both longitudinal and cross-sectional planes. This steering axis is traditionally referred to as the kingpin. The castor and the inclination angles associated with the kingpin orientation are defined in the following figure:

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As it is seen, the kingpin is tipped outward at the bottom. For passenger cars, typical values for the kingpin inclination angles are 10-15o. You should also note that the kingpin intercepts the ground slightly inside of the wheel contact. The distance is called the "kingpin offset" or "scrub". Such an offset is not only necessary to create space for things like brakes, suspension and steering components; it also adds to the "feel of the road" and reduced static steering efforts.

In the longitudinal plane, the kingpin is intercepts the ground ahead of the wheel axis as shown in the above figure. The associated angle is called the castor angle. Typical values range from 0 to 5o.

So i ended up with:
10* KIP
8-10* Caster
0-1* Camber

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Typical settings for gokarts is:
9-12 degrees caster
-2 to -4.5 degrees camber

Your Kingpin in the pic above looks like it has more than 1 degree of camber.
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@T-Dub13 wrote:
Typical settings for gokarts is:
9-12 degrees caster
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Your Kingpin in the pic above looks like it has more than 1 degree of camber.

-10 kip

-1 on the axle.

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Makes sense with the short wheelbase. It still might be hard to turn the steering wheel though. I think that's a good thing for such a fast tractor.  Cool 
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@T-Dub13 wrote:
Makes sense with the short wheelbase.  It still might be hard to turn the steering wheel though.  I think that's a good thing for such a fast tractor.   Cool 

Yeah don't want a sensitive steering at high speed. lol

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Minor Parts Arrival, Will take the frame and parts too work tomorrow, will try to get the front axle mounted and maybe the rear too
The 8 inch brake rotor looks huuge on this tiny thing  Razz 




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Frame & Axle fab, also cleaned the paint of the frame, where it was neccesary. - Also mocked up the rear axle mount's.



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Frame, Front Axle bolt down and Steering Linkage.

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I think I will notch the bearing plate into the frame, -so it's directly in contact with the square tubing.
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My Vintage John Deere 110, 1967 model
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Man this thing is already catching my attention good work
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Dude you should put like a Turbocharger or a Supercharger on it!
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@PuppetKicker wrote:
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Thank you!

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