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PostSubject: major timing advance/retard   major timing advance/retard Icon_minitimeNovember 15th 2014, 9:07 pm

I was foolin around with my mower today and did this.
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PostSubject: Re: major timing advance/retard   major timing advance/retard Icon_minitimeNovember 15th 2014, 9:29 pm

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I moved the magneto closer to the carb and secured it with one bolt. It cranked a little harder but ran better and burned the fuel mixture better <<<--i know this because it blee less oil smoke than before. Tomoros im gonna move it to thd other side for retarded ignition and see what happens.
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PostSubject: Re: major timing advance/retard   major timing advance/retard Icon_minitimeNovember 15th 2014, 11:20 pm

Jeez, that's like 30 degrees of extra advance. Pretty intresting that it runs with that much advance. Retarded that far (if it starts) will probably cut the power way down. Careful of way too much advance like that during starting, could potentially kick back and bust the starter teeth all up.
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PostSubject: Re: major timing advance/retard   major timing advance/retard Icon_minitimeNovember 16th 2014, 6:43 am

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Jeez, that's like 30 degrees of extra advance. Pretty intresting that it runs with that much advance. Retarded that far (if it starts) will probably cut the power way down. Careful of way too much advance like that during starting, could potentially kick back and bust the starter teeth all up.

Agreed.

Did you actually put this under load, or just sitting there in neutral? Did you shoot some video?

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PostSubject: Re: major timing advance/retard   major timing advance/retard Icon_minitimeNovember 16th 2014, 8:12 am

@mr mod. Thats the wrong starter, it has the newer metal gear on it and it chewed up the ring gear. I pull start it all the time cause its so worn out and
compression is really low. So its not much of a hassle. And it has kicked back and yanked my arm pretty good.
I cant drive it because my belt broke, so it didnt have a load on it.
And yes, i got video, i used my phone sothe quality isnt real good but u can tell wat it is
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PostSubject: Re: major timing advance/retard   major timing advance/retard Icon_minitimeNovember 16th 2014, 3:33 pm

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I couldnt retard the timing today cause it was raining. Ill prolly do it this week and then expirement with 2 magnetos for a second spark to help burn everything. Wish me luck cause i might need it.

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PostSubject: Re: major timing advance/retard   major timing advance/retard Icon_minitimeNovember 16th 2014, 7:39 pm

You can try the second mag, but I don't think there will be an appreciable difference. As it is, your engine essentially uses a waste-spark system, so it's banging on the exhaust stroke too.
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PostSubject: Re: major timing advance/retard   major timing advance/retard Icon_minitimeNovember 16th 2014, 8:24 pm

I know its a waste spark system, but having a second spark while the fuel mix is burning could help it burn better. Hell, if a feel like it i might put 3 mags o it. That would be cool if it worked cause itd be more efficient i think
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PostSubject: Re: major timing advance/retard   major timing advance/retard Icon_minitimeNovember 16th 2014, 8:26 pm

You know what I think would be GENUINELY better? A retrofitted 12v automotive coil, with the plug gap opened way up to 0.050"-0.060".
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PostSubject: Re: major timing advance/retard   major timing advance/retard Icon_minitimeNovember 16th 2014, 8:29 pm

Yes doc, that would be genuine. But my mower has literrally ZERO electrical stuff on it. Everytime i put elextrical stuff on it it gets toasted or snags a branch or just plain dont work. I pull start it and dump the clutch to kill it. Zero electrical. Its not for me
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PostSubject: Re: major timing advance/retard   major timing advance/retard Icon_minitimeNovember 24th 2014, 10:37 pm

So. Update. Thus week i did retard the timing, but with the valve timing being retarded already, it just shot flames out the exaust and didnt even run. I tried dual magnetos using one off my gokart but the egdes hit the flywheel, so once i file down the edges i can mount it and see what works and what doesnt.

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PostSubject: Re: major timing advance/retard   major timing advance/retard Icon_minitimeNovember 24th 2014, 10:46 pm

Need an aluminum welder so you can make your own brackets for stuff.
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PostSubject: Re: major timing advance/retard   major timing advance/retard Icon_minitimeNovember 27th 2014, 11:04 pm

Yes i do. My stepdad has a honda stick welder that welds aluminum if were very careful.
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PostSubject: Re: major timing advance/retard   major timing advance/retard Icon_minitimeNovember 28th 2014, 10:18 pm

crafsmankiller wrote:
Yes i do. My stepdad has a honda stick welder that welds aluminum if were very careful.

Oh neat, what do you use, aluminum rods i'm guessing? I tried some of those rods that your supposed to be able to melt in with a propane torch. Didn't work out so well. I only tried it once though, should do more experimenting.
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PostSubject: Re: major timing advance/retard   major timing advance/retard Icon_minitimeNovember 29th 2014, 2:08 pm

From What I have found, welding aluminum sucks. It is super difficult to weld well. The best way to weld aluminum is tig btw.
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PostSubject: Re: major timing advance/retard   major timing advance/retard Icon_minitimeNovember 29th 2014, 8:33 pm

Idk what kind of sticks we use. When we first pully swapped the mower we welded a aluminum deck pulley to the stock steel pulley, it worked but it wasnt pretty at all.
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PostSubject: Re: major timing advance/retard   major timing advance/retard Icon_minitimeNovember 29th 2014, 8:35 pm

And it was a pain in the arse to weld the aluminum cause it kept melting and the pulley kept sliding around. So yes welding aluminum is quite hard
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PostSubject: Re: major timing advance/retard   major timing advance/retard Icon_minitimeDecember 27th 2014, 12:35 am

cut a circular piece of flat metal that you can bolt down to existing coil mount in jug and drill new holes for small bolts to hold coil to the advance you desire. possibly several optional holes in the flat stock for different advancing options. Sorry I am new here so it may not work out the way I am thinking but would avoid the welding problem with aluminum altogether
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PostSubject: Re: major timing advance/retard   major timing advance/retard Icon_minitimeJanuary 3rd 2015, 1:36 am

Thats actually a really good idea and i might try it. But i only did this for the heck of it.
But really good idea dude. Ill try it
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