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PostSubject: “Beast” - Craftsman II Utility Build   “Beast” - Craftsman II Utility Build Icon_minitimeSun Dec 15, 2019 9:14 pm

Hi all,

This is the beginning of the thread for my newest project, a (1990-92?) Craftsman II, 40” deck, 12hp flathead. We got this beauty from a buddy of mine. It was given to him, and he didn’t want anything to do with it. It had been sitting up under a shed at a hunting club for a while, so on Dec 6 we made the drive to load it up and bring it to it’s new home.

The name “Beast” originated from my buddy that previously owned it, and I’d say the name fits it well. On the key, a label is stuck to it reading “BEAST”. So we’re sticking with it.

Got it off the truck, charged battery, and with a shot of starting fluid she fired up. The condition of the engine was a little concerning, as it had NO oil on the dipstick, and no air filter or housing when we got it, and apparently never did during my friend’s ownership of it. Added some oil to it (it turned black immediately when the engine was run) and the engine ran really nicely. It had a SUPER low idle, at which it just sat there and purred. I believe it would run at that idle forever if you kept it fueled.

Seemed to run pretty rich, as it spit and sputtered and blew black smoke while increasing the throttle.

We then stripped it of the deck and all related brackets/parts that were no longer needed.

The clutch idler pulley was pretty much non existent, all that remained was the bearing from said pulley. We were able to get this belt to somehow work with this setup, and at very low speed, we were able to ride this thing around a bit before it threw the belt off. I purchased a new idler pulley, only to find out the drive belt that was on it was too short. So I’m holding off on buying another belt until we do a pulley swap (soon). Also added one new(er) rear tire. We also removed all safety switches and wired everything direct. As tempted as I am to make it a push start, I just can’t get rid of that “BEAST” key.

I’ve had it for a week or so now, and didn’t plan on making a build thread for it. So pics of our work are sorta scarce. Here’s what we’ve got:

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There she sits in the shop next to my LT2000 build. This thing looks pretty sharp. No major rust, most of the paint looks GREAT. Planning on repainting the whole thing (same color) eventually. It’s pretty nasty and we haven’t had a chance to pressure wash it yet due to the lack of a carb/air filter. As soon as they go on, it will get cleaned up.

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Stock Carburetor came off for a 26mm Mikuni clone swap.


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PostSubject: Re: “Beast” - Craftsman II Utility Build   “Beast” - Craftsman II Utility Build Icon_minitimeSun Dec 15, 2019 9:24 pm

The original carb was a one piece, so we couldn’t unbolt it and have a manifold to use with the new carb.

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Intake manifold that was included with the new carb. The ends are turned the wrong way, therefore we can’t use it as is.

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So in an attempt to make it work, I cut the ends off, mounted it up on the engine, and marked the way they need to be. Next week, I’m letting a friend attempt to TIG weld them on the right way. The piece could be destroyed, or it could work out.

That being said, I’d like a plan B. If someone can link me to a (preferably cheap) intake manifold that will bolt right into this flathead, that would be greatly appreciated.

That’s all I have for now, I will be documenting our modifications here as they happen. May take some more pics tomorrow.
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PostSubject: Re: “Beast” - Craftsman II Utility Build   “Beast” - Craftsman II Utility Build Icon_minitimeSun Dec 15, 2019 9:26 pm

Thats Cool as hell. I have not seen that front end before Sic!!
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PostSubject: Re: “Beast” - Craftsman II Utility Build   “Beast” - Craftsman II Utility Build Icon_minitimeSun Dec 15, 2019 9:55 pm

You can also make an intake manifold out of conduit and large washers. Large washers being the flange and the conduit being the intake runner. Much easier material to work with
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If all else fails that’ll certainly be something to try. I still have a lot of 1” conduit from making an exhaust. Only thing is that stuff is really hard to weld without melting through. At least with a stick welder. I guess TIG is a different story, and that is an option. I have access to all processes one way or another.
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PostSubject: Re: “Beast” - Craftsman II Utility Build   “Beast” - Craftsman II Utility Build Icon_minitimeMon Dec 16, 2019 5:02 pm

Had the manifold tack welded today and brought it home to test fit before welding 100%. Went down to TSC and got a 3” pulley for transaxle and 86” belt.
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Manifold WORKS... but there is an issue. More info below.

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The carb side flange was welded on crooked. This may have very well been my fault. I cut the tack welds and tried to make some better marks, hopefully we can get it lined up correctly tomorrow.

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3” pulley on the transaxle. The 86” belt I purchased is too long, despite my calculation calling for ~85.5”. The rear clutch system on this thing seems like it’s going to be a pain. When the clutch is completely engaged, it pinches the belt between it and the shifter link. I didn’t take a pic of this unfortunately. I think I can resolve this with a shorter belt, I just don’t know how short.
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PostSubject: Re: “Beast” - Craftsman II Utility Build   “Beast” - Craftsman II Utility Build Icon_minitimeMon Dec 16, 2019 5:58 pm

A 3 inch is gonna give you some slip, might not even grab when it’s wet
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PostSubject: Re: “Beast” - Craftsman II Utility Build   “Beast” - Craftsman II Utility Build Icon_minitimeMon Dec 16, 2019 6:16 pm

Eh, you might be able to get away with a 3". My brother runs a 3/4" on his and doesn't have any MAJOR issues.

Not trying to be the negative one here, BUT, that tranny would be a Peerless 930. My brother just blew one up with a 4" on it. You can run it, but I wouldn't. I'd run an MST. I have a Murray that's in the process of getting an MST swap. They're just simply better. Now a peerless 920 could be a whole different story. I've never tried one, but they look WAY beefier than a 930.
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PostSubject: Re: “Beast” - Craftsman II Utility Build   “Beast” - Craftsman II Utility Build Icon_minitimeMon Dec 16, 2019 6:22 pm

What size pulley do y’all suggest I move up to? I really don’t know a sure fire way to swap the front pulley without messing up and having to buy more stuff... I’m completely open to running a larger rear pulley. It would probably help clutch issues I’m running into. I went and swapped for an 80” belt and it’s too short... guess I’m making the haul back to TSC tomorrow.

As for the rear end, I haven’t even thought about looking into which model it was. I don’t have any other rear ends and sure don’t have the cost of another one in the budget. So what do I need to do to play it safe?
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PostSubject: Re: “Beast” - Craftsman II Utility Build   “Beast” - Craftsman II Utility Build Icon_minitimeMon Dec 16, 2019 7:39 pm

what size engine pulley you running? I wouldn't run a pulley smaller than 4" on the trans. Smaller pulleys will give you heat and slip issues. A 6/4 combo is a safe setup.
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PostSubject: Re: “Beast” - Craftsman II Utility Build   “Beast” - Craftsman II Utility Build Icon_minitimeMon Dec 16, 2019 7:51 pm

Stock 3” on front and added a 3” on the rear today. Have not driven it because I’ve yet to find the correct belt. I went with the 3” simply because that’s what I’ve been running on the rear of my other tractor for several months without issue. How do I adapt a larger pulley to the engine shaft?
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PostSubject: Re: “Beast” - Craftsman II Utility Build   “Beast” - Craftsman II Utility Build Icon_minitimeMon Dec 16, 2019 8:25 pm

basically you'll need the correct hub that goes onto the crank, you'll have to weld a pulley to that. Do you already have a pulley?
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PostSubject: Re: “Beast” - Craftsman II Utility Build   “Beast” - Craftsman II Utility Build Icon_minitimeMon Dec 16, 2019 10:22 pm

I don’t have any new pulleys, just the stock stacked pulley, which has a 6in on the bottom I believe? Is there a way to modify that one? Could you show me an example of the hub I’d need?
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You can find them at tractor supply
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I need a link/pic example... I can’t envision how it would work, the engine shaft is so long.
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Oh, I see. I didn’t think those would work, because I don’t see a way of securing them to a shaft in a way that they won’t just fall off. Can I just buy a pulley with that hub already on it like the transaxle? How is that attached to the shaft? Just by set screws?
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@WayneTrain2000 you weld the pulley to the hub, the hub has two set screws that if you loctite them before assembly I’ve rarely had one fall off, if you’re that worried about it set screw the pulley in place and the make a spacer out of 1 inch black plumbing pipe and use the factory crank bolt with a large washer, not only will you have set screws holding it in place, you will have the bolt to keep it from falling off, yes you can buy pulleys that are one piece with your desired bore size that also come with one or two set screws, stay away from cast aluminum pulleys

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Alright, guess I’ll give it a shot. I always buy the pre-made steel pulleys from TSC and never had a problem. I will probably keep my 3” since they took my receipt when I returned the belt... Maybe a 5” for the front? That would be equivalent to a 6/4....
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@WayneTrain2000 pre made steel pulleys will work just fine, a lot of people use the two part pulleys that you have to self weld because it’s a simple way to get a variety of sizes. There is nothing wrong with both styles

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TIG welding currently in progress on the manifold.

Going well for the most part, but there’s one part that he’s unable to weld. Not sure if this will cause a leak, or what I’ll need to do to seal it.

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If it’s structurally sound, just use JB weld on the portion he can’t weld
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@WayneTrain2000 wrote:

As for the rear end, I haven’t even thought about looking into which model it was. I don’t have any other rear ends and sure don’t have the cost of another one in the budget. So what do I need to do to play it safe?

Well, try not to do too many clutch dumps, don't run tires over 20" unless it's locked, and don't downshift hard (like from 6th to 2nd gear). That would be "playing it safe", but that doesn't guarantee anything. My brother blew the 930 up in 2nd gear with only one wheel turning... when he put his weight on that side it blew. So there's really no way to insure that it won't blow. I just like MSTs more than 930s, they're just stronger all the way around. If it ever does blow, look around at scrapyards for another tranny. You can get 'em dirt cheap over there.
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It has 18” tires now and I don’t plan to change them. I considered locking it but this seems to be a grease packed transaxle and I really don’t wanna get into it. I don’t really need to be locked for this build... I don’t really clutch dump or downshift often... so I guess it’s fine. Considering picking up a 5” pulley for front today if they have one, and actually measuring what length belt I need so I don’t have to screw around going back and forth to Tractor Supply. 86 was far too long, 80 was far too short, 83 almost made it over the rear pulley but would’ve been far too tight. So I’m guessing 84. But then I have to account for the 5” front... I don’t know, we’ll see.
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Alright, I’m just stumped at this point. I’ve tried just about every belt size from 80 to 87. I’ve been to tractor supply to exchange belts so many times they probably know me by my name. It’s either so tight that I can’t slip it over the pulley, or it’s so loose that the clutch comes back and completely collapses on the belt. I think at this point I’m gonna have to do away with this clutch system and build a new one in the middle/front of the tractor. If anyone could give me some really simple designs I’m ready to run with it. I’d like to keep materials that I have to buy at a minimum.

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Swapped to a 4” pulley, hoping it would improve belt fitment.

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Example of how the clutch pinches the belt between shifting link and belt keeper. I thought that if I got a short enough belt this wouldn’t happen, but a ‘short enough’ belt wouldn’t even go on the pulleys.


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