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PostSubject: Re: "The WarHorse"   "The WarHorse" - Page 4 Icon_minitimeMon Dec 20, 2021 10:14 pm

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I think you are OK. Just be sure to get a good crosshatch in the hone. Is there a ridge at the top of the cylinder? If so (and if you don’t have a ridge reamer) be careful putting the piston back in. Of course the new rings will hit the ridge if it is there and is significant. If it is, it would be worthwhile to borrow a ridge reamer.

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PostSubject: Re: "The WarHorse"   "The WarHorse" - Page 4 Icon_minitimeMon Dec 20, 2021 10:25 pm

Lol. I hope so but I'm concerned about where those fragments are coming from...

Not sure about the ridge I ran my finger across it and didn't really feel anything so it's probably fine, the bore itself looks square and there's no play (rocking) in the piston surpringly.

Tomorrow is another day...

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PostSubject: Re: "The WarHorse"   "The WarHorse" - Page 4 Icon_minitimeTue Dec 21, 2021 8:27 am

I always hate it when that happens...

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PostSubject: Re: "The WarHorse"   "The WarHorse" - Page 4 Icon_minitimeTue Dec 21, 2021 9:39 am

i hope that motor will be okay those engines are stupid stout motors and will last you as long as its got oil

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PostSubject: Re: "The WarHorse"   "The WarHorse" - Page 4 Icon_minitimeTue Dec 21, 2021 1:56 pm

@Budget_gokart wrote:
i hope that motor will be okay those engines are stupid stout motors and will last you as long as its got oil
Thanks,  I'm hoping so too!

I'm getting into it shortly and will report back later, wish me luck!

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PostSubject: Re: "The WarHorse"   "The WarHorse" - Page 4 Icon_minitimeTue Dec 21, 2021 7:26 pm

Well boys, she's torn down, inspected and will be worked over while I'm waiting for the gasket kit to come in.
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I was able to fish a bunch more metal out of the oil in the crankcase (this is just a small sample)  "The WarHorse" - Page 4 20211265


The gears are perfect with almost no visible wear, also no chips or scores... "The WarHorse" - Page 4 20211266


The piston rings are in great condition and have plenty of tension on them so they'll get reused. There's a bunch of gunk including metallic grit all throughout them but the piston is still really decent as is the connecting rod and crankshaft main journal  
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With the good news out of the way it's time to get to the bad news.... for the life of me I cannot find any contact points or an explanation of where all the metal came from! The Synchro plates, the bearings, the gears, the valves, the governor just everything looks really great, even more so for a 37 year old motor and everything still feels tight so I'm stumped! Lol. I should be celebrating but now I'm more concerned then when I started because I couldn't find any witness or contact marks yet there's a good amount of chunks of metal.... maybe bits of flashing that's broke off from the edges of castings? *sigh*.

I'll be looking even harder as I clean/polish everything and reassemble, I hope something shows itself or I'll lose it! Lol
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PostSubject: Re: "The WarHorse"   "The WarHorse" - Page 4 Icon_minitimeTue Dec 21, 2021 7:48 pm

Interesting. I’m curious to see what your verdict is. I don’t know what it is about these flat head briggs, but out of all the small engines out there these seem to have the most interesting and bizarre issues when they happen. I saw this one english guy rebuild one where the connecting rod had absolutely destroyed the valves when it snapped. Wrist pin had jammed into the liner when the c clip broke, now I wonder if maybe that could be a factor? Tough engines and they’ll last for forever though.

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PostSubject: Re: "The WarHorse"   "The WarHorse" - Page 4 Icon_minitimeTue Dec 21, 2021 8:15 pm

Might have found the problem! Date Code 84011310, probably one of the last ones made on Friday, January the 13th 1984! Lol
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PostSubject: Re: "The WarHorse"   "The WarHorse" - Page 4 Icon_minitimeTue Dec 21, 2021 10:40 pm

Did you pick the cuttings with a magnet or are they aluminum?
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PostSubject: Re: "The WarHorse"   "The WarHorse" - Page 4 Icon_minitimeTue Dec 21, 2021 11:00 pm

I used a magnet, even the chunks I first picked out of the cylinder I checked with the magnet and most of them were magnetic.

Just for the record I've been inside and worked on plenty of engines, it's not the first time I've come across metal but it's usually in flake form which is fairly normal wear and tear. I've only seen (small) chunks in gearboxes, can find evidence of where it's come from and not been overly concerned but this is just bizarre! I'm really suspecting it's flashing from edges of the castings but I'm not coming to any conclusions yet.
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PostSubject: Re: "The WarHorse"   "The WarHorse" - Page 4 Icon_minitimeTue Dec 21, 2021 11:30 pm

Please do let us know if you find the source. Interesting. Metal in sludge I can see, but chunks... hmmm

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PostSubject: Re: "The WarHorse"   "The WarHorse" - Page 4 Icon_minitimeTue Dec 28, 2021 10:27 pm

Well guys I don't really have much in the way of an update but I can say I've been slowly cleaning/polishing engine parts getting them ready for reassembly and I still for the life of me can't get to the bottom of where the chunks of metal have come from! I'm just going to let it go and move on, it's obvious to me that it's not been caused by any interference so now that it's cleaned out it will no longer be a concern!

I'll probably start a thread in the engine section for it and set up a link here, theres lots of work to do to it before I start reassembly,  I'm working on the carb right now and giving it some personal touches so the airflow is improved and as smooth as possible without killing velocity.

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PostSubject: Re: "The WarHorse"   "The WarHorse" - Page 4 Icon_minitimeFri Dec 31, 2021 1:01 am

[adm]This project still meets criteria for next year's Build-off if you wanted to enter.[/adm]

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PostSubject: Re: "The WarHorse"   "The WarHorse" - Page 4 Icon_minitimeFri Dec 31, 2021 1:08 am

That's super thank you! May I copy my build progress here also for completeness of my build thread I've worked so hard on!? Lol. I do understand I need an official Build Off thread.

On another note, I've started a seperate thread in the engine section for the motor from this old girl. It can be found HERE for all who are interested.

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There will be an official build-off thread.  Historically, we lock this thread while the build-off is running.  Then if it continues afterwards, I think if I remember right, I can link them together and unlock.

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Copy that! Thanks for the help!
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PostSubject: Re: "The WarHorse"   "The WarHorse" - Page 4 Icon_minitimeSun Jan 23, 2022 12:34 pm

Well guys I don't have anything in the ways of a progress update as the last time I worked on the tractor itself was Dec 31st when I cleaned up and painted the front of the chassis in preparation of reassembly, it was a little chilly out that day so I used a small electric heater and made an enclosure out of work mats so it would dry. I forgot to post these that day but better late than never right?!
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The ol' girl is still sitting there in the exact same spot, in the exact same state, for 3 reasons...
1) I've been working on the motor and want to have it assembled so I can get a pic of it with the tractor for..  
2) The Build Off which...
3) I'm still contemplating whether I'm going to enter it into or not... I've been leaning towards it and thought it would be best to leave it in it's current state for the entry photos just in case.

I also (selfishly) wanted to bump the thread so those following don't think I've abandoned it and new/old members coming out of hiding see it pop up on their radar and hopefully check out what I've been up to! Lol.


I hope everyone has had a strong start to 2022 and that it ends the same way for you! Until next time fellas!

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Sign up for the build-off! The worst that can happen is that you finish it next December. Very Happy
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Oh she'll be "complete" to build off requirements (not like they're ever "complete") WAY before then! I plan on doing alot of serious test&tune and break, repair, repeat this summer! I'll probably be breaking, tweaking and tuning stuff before the snow is even gone here! Lol.

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Man that looks brand new! Nice job with the paint "The WarHorse" - Page 4 2731072446

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