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Nice work thunder. I'm still kinda confused about supporting the input shaft tho.... Rolling Eyes

Thanks, Confused how? - How to do it or why and where?
Like, what do I use as a coller, where does it go on the input, and do I just weld it to my mounting plate?
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Nice work thunder. I'm still kinda confused about supporting the input shaft tho.... Rolling Eyes

Thanks, Confused how? - How to do it or why and where?
Like, what do I use as a coller, where does it go on the input, and do I just weld it to my mounting plate?

You won't need a big collar going all the way down on the shaft, what you need is a support base for the input shaft to NOT move, read break. When you slam the clutch.

The only thick plate on my build will be this plate, so minimum a 1/4" thick plate, drill holes, mount - DONE!

I will also use some 90 degree angle iron or similar to go up to the remaining top mount holes, this way its clamped in place.

Like Reddz also said, its the cases that breaks cause of bad mounting and support.

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Nice work thunder. I'm still kinda confused about supporting the input shaft tho.... Rolling Eyes

Thanks, Confused how? - How to do it or why and where?
Like, what do I use as a coller, where does it go on the input, and do I just weld it to my mounting plate?

You won't need a big collar going all the way down on the shaft, what you need is a support base for the input shaft to NOT move, read break. When you slam the clutch.

The only thick plate on my build will be this plate, so minimum a 1/4" thick plate, drill holes, mount - DONE!

I will also use some 90 degree angle iron or similar to go up to the remaining top mount holes, this way its clamped in place.

Like Reddz also said, its the cases that breaks cause of bad mounting and support.


Wouldn't that wear out or make a bad screeching noise because its not a bearing?
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redlinemotorsportts wrote:
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redlinemotorsportts wrote:
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redlinemotorsportts wrote:
Nice work thunder. I'm still kinda confused about supporting the input shaft tho.... Rolling Eyes

Thanks, Confused how? - How to do it or why and where?
Like, what do I use as a coller, where does it go on the input, and do I just weld it to my mounting plate?

You won't need a big collar going all the way down on the shaft, what you need is a support base for the input shaft to NOT move, read break. When you slam the clutch.

The only thick plate on my build will be this plate, so minimum a 1/4" thick plate, drill holes, mount - DONE!

I will also use some 90 degree angle iron or similar to go up to the remaining top mount holes, this way its clamped in place.

Like Reddz also said, its the cases that breaks cause of bad mounting and support.


Wouldn't that wear out or make a bad screeching  noise because its not a bearing?

No, no its not the input shaft itself, its the outside part of the input shaft and like i suggested to fill it with some silicone or PUR after you mount it, for flex.
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Ohhhhhh!! I get it now. The case itself I see. Duh..... bounce 
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Ohhhhhh!! I get it now. The case itself I see. Duh..... bounce 

Yes, cause most just drill a like 2 inch hole there, and let it hang loose.
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I love how the rear wheels are big and the front ones are small haha

hmm, that's pretty normal in 99.99% of the times, but ok Very Happy 
Hahaa but you have a big difference a lot of the times its suttle
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I love how the rear wheels are big and the front ones are small haha

hmm, that's pretty normal in 99.99% of the times, but ok Very Happy 
Hahaa but you have a big difference a lot of the times its suttle

No it's normal, 6" front and 8" rear. you probaly never seen em without rubber on, not that visible when the tires are on.  Very Happy 
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So much for a simple build lol
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So much for a simple build lol

What Much? Explain...  tongue 

And what ya guys think about these proportions? this is mocked up at about 42" and 36" wide

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The white paper is about the same lenght as the V-Twin,


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This is simple for thunder's standards..... Looks.... small lol. if i remember right my mini will be like 2 1/2 feet tall ish
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This is simple for thunder's standards..... Looks.... small lol. if i remember right my mini will be like 2 1/2 feet tall ish

Yeah and abit wide maybe? aslong as its not wider than long, and it starts going sideways just for the fun of it.

Height is hard to say now, but this will be low. Since nothing will protude below the box frame.

Need to keep in mind that with the 4on4" hubs and 3/4" front axles, I can have the option to pop on bigger wheels for a quick rally trip.

But for road/dirt its so low that when you hit a small dent in the ground, the frame hits the asphalt and sparks shoot out, One's allowed to dream  Very Happy 


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To me, it look wide. if that's what you want, thats alright. remember the "mini" theme, you start playing with dimentions and stuff then its not so mini. Thats why im running a slightly longer wheelbase and about the same width, maybe a little wider, and 4.10" wide tires Razz
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redlinemotorsportts wrote:
To me, it look wide. if that's what you want, thats alright. remember the  "mini" theme, you start playing with dimentions and stuff then its not so mini. Thats why im running a slightly longer wheelbase and about the same width, maybe a little wider, and 4.10" wide tires Razz
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Yeah but I also have to keep in mind the JD design and theme. Since im using the Square rear fender, that needs some lenght.

what fender/ hood will you use?

Gosh, not gonna be easy afterall.... bounce 
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To me, it look wide. if that's what you want, thats alright. remember the  "mini" theme, you start playing with dimentions and stuff then its not so mini. Thats why im running a slightly longer wheelbase and about the same width, maybe a little wider, and 4.10" wide tires Razz
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Yeah but I also have to keep in mind the JD design and theme. Since im using the Square rear fender, that needs some lenght.

what fender/ hood will you use?

Gosh, not gonna be easy afterall.... bounce 
Im using that surfaced rusted wheel horse hood, shortened, and no fenders. my tractor probally didnt come with any stock, and i have no fenders anyways, and i like the open wheel look.
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redlinemotorsportts wrote:
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To me, it look wide. if that's what you want, thats alright. remember the  "mini" theme, you start playing with dimentions and stuff then its not so mini. Thats why im running a slightly longer wheelbase and about the same width, maybe a little wider, and 4.10" wide tires Razz
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Yeah but I also have to keep in mind the JD design and theme. Since im using the Square rear fender, that needs some lenght.

what fender/ hood will you use?

Gosh, not gonna be easy afterall.... bounce 
Im using that surfaced rusted wheel horse hood, shortened, and no fenders. my tractor probally didnt come with any stock, and i have no fenders anyways, and i like the open wheel look.

I agree, did you start to cut your hood yet. I ordered me some JD 110 round fenders too, but they will look stupid on a 16" Tire.

You're going for a Mini hot rod look then kinda?
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I'm trying to keep the dimensions stock looking, and the same style seat it would have on it. Obviously tires/hood and drivetrain will be different.
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I'm trying to keep the dimensions stock looking, and the same style seat it would have on it. Obviously tires/hood and drivetrain will be different.

lol stock with a wheelhose hood, but yeah i know what you mean. Mine will house a pan seat.

Sucks to wait for parts....
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Got the 428 chain, but it didnt fit. But then i checked the Peerless 700 's partslist. Stock reverse chain is the #41 not the #40 as i thought, so theres a difference in those like

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Soooo, need to order a Heavy Duty 420 chain instead then. Bugger§  rabbit 

Anyone need a gold 428H chain for cheap  Razz 
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428/#40 chain will generally work on #41 sprockets. What was the fitment issue? Was there interference somewhere, or just sloppy? Of course, you don't want slop in there, I was just wondering if it was hitting somewhere.
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428/#40 chain will generally work on #41 sprockets. What was the fitment issue? Was there interference somewhere, or just sloppy? Of course, you don't want slop in there, I was just wondering if it was hitting somewhere.

Yea it didn't go around the sprocket. Also the 428H is wider, so I guess it would have hit the case wall.
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Almost ready now  bounce 

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Parts.. I wonder if I could start to modify the Hood and frame and still enter the competition. How much is 50%? hmm...

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i thought this was supposed to be simple?
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Its pretty simple compared to his craftsman.... LOL
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Got to change the bearings to 3/4" today.

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