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PostSubject: Same old question new guy having trouble   Same old question new guy having trouble Icon_minitimeMay 10th 2022, 9:06 am

I have a 17.5 hp briggs and stratton intek v twin I have a foot throttle hooked up and have it set the best way I can but with the springs it does not give me enough throw to open the carb all the way and if I get it to open all the way then the return spring is not strong enough to pull back for it to come back to idle can someone send me pictures of how they have there's set up or can I bypass the govener linkage and some how still get the govener to work?
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PostSubject: Re: Same old question new guy having trouble   Same old question new guy having trouble Icon_minitimeMay 10th 2022, 10:11 am

Maybe post some pics of your setup.  Maybe we can help you tweak what you have to be better?  Sounds like it could be a geometry thing.  Possibly a little more throw in your gas pedal?   Same old question new guy having trouble 2731072446

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PostSubject: Re: Same old question new guy having trouble   Same old question new guy having trouble Icon_minitimeMay 10th 2022, 10:47 am

I don't have pictures right now but can get some when I get home. I'm hooked up to the factory location. Is there maybe a throttle stop from keeping it moving to far? I thought about making the rod that goes from govener arm to the carb shorter but if it didn't work then I couldn't go back after cutting it
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PostSubject: Re: Same old question new guy having trouble   Same old question new guy having trouble Icon_minitimeMay 10th 2022, 5:48 pm

Pictures would definitely be good but I think I understand a little... you said you're connected to the factory throttle control but what are you using for a pedal and a cable? That can make a big difference in how you should have it setup.
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part I'm holding I had hooked to factory spot. I'm trying another  linkage rod  the other one was a little bent   will the govener  automatically  move back and forth  with the one spring  I'm missing the other one but they both pull the same direction

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Ah I see, with a rigid cable I would make sure your setup if as set at the factory if you're running the governor and using the factory throttle linkage, just put a strong return spring on the pedal itself and that should smooth things out for you a bit! It may take some trial and error to get it setup nice but what I said above should simplify it for you.

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PostSubject: Re: Same old question new guy having trouble   Same old question new guy having trouble Icon_minitimeMay 10th 2022, 8:43 pm

Thank you I appreciate the help
I think it's good now
The pedel needs clean up and a stop. I will make it look alot better. Just needed to figure it out first. Better then a bike cable and first one I made

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How do I bypass govener without pulling motor apart?
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PostSubject: Re: Same old question new guy having trouble   Same old question new guy having trouble Icon_minitimeMay 10th 2022, 9:15 pm

Man you work quick nice job! Lol

You can't safely, you'll risk it blowing to pieces inside and possibly doing internal damage to the engine, it ain't worth the risk. You should be able to get a few more governed rpms, maybe up to 4000rpms safely by doing it externally. Some setups have a screw to adjust it, others you need to tweak the bracket for the main spring to increase spring tension (a little goes a long way). If you want to do away with the governor, remove it completely internally and do NOT upgrade your valve springs, the stock ones will float and limit the rpms (up to 5000rpm-ish) so you don't grenade your engine BUT there's still always that risk when overspeeding and engine that's not been designed/modified to do so. Many guys have pulled the governor and been able to run the engine until it wore out, some have blown it up in the process... it was designed to last for years at 3600rpm, keep that in mind.

If you're looking for more speed consider a pulley swap and a new belt, there's countless threads here that cover it.

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Not to mention the stock intake push rod is aluminum and would bend.

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MightyRaze wrote:
Not to mention the stock intake push rod is aluminum and would bend.
Really!? That I didn't know, seems like a bad idea all around to me!
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Brianator wrote:
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Not to mention the stock intake push rod is aluminum and would bend.
Really!? That I didn't know, seems like a bad idea all around to me!


My intek 21 had them and they were bent on normal use.  Good news is.  Exhaust is steel.  Buy an extra set of exhaust rods and replace the intake ones with them.  They are the same size.
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As for the governor and revving.  Mine blew the governor apart around 4K.  Luckily it hit nothing inside.

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Ok thank you guys for the advice I think I will just leave the govener in she seems to be alot better with the throttle now. She drinks the gas up quick now. Spins the tires while having front tires off the ground for about ten feet in 3 witch is pretty good for the amount weight in the front definitely happier with it.

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Brianator wrote:
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Not to mention the stock intake push rod is aluminum and would bend.
Really!? That I didn't know, seems like a bad idea all around to me!

Yup. All Briggs OHV engines have aluminum intake push rods. It really is a terrible idea. We’ve broke at least 5 of them in half and I’ve seen at least 10 worn down to about a 32nd of an inch thick. Probably one of the biggest flaws in the OHV Briggs series. Terrible design.

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The cams fail, push rods fail, valve guides move, the stupid nikki carbs with the plastic assembly need no comment, the 20 and 21 singles love to throw rods, etc etc. Gimme a Vanguard or a kohler any day! Lol. Thread jack over.

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