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PostSubject: Sears Super 12, Year?   Sears Super 12, Year? Icon_minitimeAugust 20th 2023, 11:35 pm

Just picked up a Super 12 and trying to pin point the year.

Based on some google-fu i think it's a 1968 or 1969

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PostSubject: Re: Sears Super 12, Year?   Sears Super 12, Year? Icon_minitimeAugust 20th 2023, 11:40 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Sears Super 12, Year?   Sears Super 12, Year? Icon_minitimeAugust 20th 2023, 11:45 pm

3 speed Hi/Lo trans
Looks to be the original Tecumseh HH120 (with an incredible oil leak)
Engine is missing pulley covers and the air cleaner
Mule Drive System Installed but no belts
Seat looks to be off a 90s Murray
It was originally blue and white, looks to have been painted green at one point, and then poorly repainted blue.
The placard above the shifter is missing.
Cant find a number on the engine yet. Still scraping off an inch plus of old oil and grass clippings.


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PostSubject: Re: Sears Super 12, Year?   Sears Super 12, Year? Icon_minitimeAugust 21st 2023, 12:00 am

I'll guess 69.  I think the 68 had a hood ornament.  I'm guessing you don't have a model plate on it.  Typically between the seat and shifter.

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PostSubject: Re: Sears Super 12, Year?   Sears Super 12, Year? Icon_minitimeAugust 21st 2023, 12:10 am

Correct, no plate and it's missing the hood ornament as well.
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PostSubject: Re: Sears Super 12, Year?   Sears Super 12, Year? Icon_minitimeAugust 21st 2023, 8:56 pm

Nice tractor!

Careful with the dash if you're planning on adding any switches, it's made of asbestos!


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PostSubject: Re: Sears Super 12, Year?   Sears Super 12, Year? Icon_minitimeAugust 22nd 2023, 5:56 am

Brianator wrote:
Nice tractor!

Careful with the dash if you're planning on adding any switches, it's made of asbestos!

In Ropers defense, they made those dashes asbestos they could.

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Ok, I’ll show myself out, back to my void for another 3 weeks lol

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PostSubject: Re: Sears Super 12, Year?   Sears Super 12, Year? Icon_minitimeAugust 22nd 2023, 11:51 am

Brianator wrote:
Nice tractor!

Careful with the dash if you're planning on adding any switches, it's made of asbestos!

Thanks for the heads up, i plan to use existing holes for any switches i need to mount.

Going to replace the pull-out headlight switch with a lower profile toggle switch and i don't really need a cigar lighter on my tractor. The ammeter was falling apart so i went ahead and pulled it yesterday.
That leaves me eith plenty of real estate without having to drill or cut into that nasty stuff.

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PostSubject: Re: Sears Super 12, Year?   Sears Super 12, Year? Icon_minitimeAugust 22nd 2023, 1:29 pm

There may even be one more hole between the key switch and the light switch under the dash sticker. Some models had one pre-drilled there. Not sure if this model has it.


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     Marshal ........93 Craftsman GT6000      
     Red Bandit ...72 Wheel Horse Raider 12
     Dirty Rat........77 Sears Suburban
     Bowser..........01 Murray Widebody LT
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PostSubject: Re: Sears Super 12, Year?   Sears Super 12, Year? Icon_minitimeAugust 22nd 2023, 1:40 pm

Still haven't found any numbers on the thing. It is extremely dirty. Nothing like years and years of neglecting an oil leak then letting it cure for a decade in the Texas sun....

Other than the shift pattern placard and an engine casting do y'all know of any other locations it would have numbers?

Can't even find one on the mule drive system, but again, i was surprised to see it was a nice creamy white under all that gease and grime.
The good news is other than some minor surface rust this things cancer free!

I haven't gotten into the rear-end yet but assuming it's original I'll look for a number on it when i get it out.

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PostSubject: Re: Sears Super 12, Year?   Sears Super 12, Year? Icon_minitimeAugust 22nd 2023, 5:05 pm

Might could pull some numbers from the engine.  Probably on the flywheel shroud. Up by the carb if it still has the HH120 Tecumseh I am guessing.  As for the tractor itself, I bet the model plate was removed along with the shift plate when painted.  
miss information:

The mule itself I've never seen a model #.  Attachments do.


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     Bowser..........01 Murray Widebody LT
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PostSubject: Re: Sears Super 12, Year?   Sears Super 12, Year? Icon_minitimeAugust 22nd 2023, 5:17 pm

Scratch that, I stand corrected. The model plate was at the bottom of the shift plate in that era. The part you are missing. I'm still pretty convinced it is a '69. I know @Brianator has some experience with mixed leftover parts tractors manufactured in that era. I wonder if there is a light blue under that darker blue. There was even an orange one (my fav) in that era.


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     Bowser..........01 Murray Widebody LT
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PostSubject: Re: Sears Super 12, Year?   Sears Super 12, Year? Icon_minitimeAugust 22nd 2023, 5:21 pm

67-7x was pretty interchangeable.  Manuals didn't update all the drawings.  Like dashes sometimes don't match the year.  I believe the 68 and 69 had your dash.

Manual:
http://www.stripmine.org/sears/manuals/91725120.pdf

Parts diagram for that era.
http://www.stripmine.org/sears/manuals/91725311_pl.pdf

Hope that helps some.


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     Red Bandit ...72 Wheel Horse Raider 12
     Dirty Rat........77 Sears Suburban
     Bowser..........01 Murray Widebody LT
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PostSubject: Re: Sears Super 12, Year?   Sears Super 12, Year? Icon_minitimeAugust 22nd 2023, 8:10 pm

Yes, look like it was originally light blue body and frame with a white hood and attachments.
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PostSubject: Re: Sears Super 12, Year?   Sears Super 12, Year? Icon_minitimeAugust 22nd 2023, 11:16 pm

It's my friend that's a real aficionado when it comes to all the nuances of these Sears but it's a little late to be messaging him... he has a 1967 Super 12 Special that's orange and has the hood ornament. I'm pretty sure they made the orange Special 1967-69 and switched to blue in 1970.

He also has a half year Suburban 12 that had the light blue painted over with yellow at the factory, I want to say it was leftover 72 parts built for the 73 model year, neat to see the layers of paint showing (look at the floorboard).Sears Super 12, Year? 20221096

So it looks like you're rig is 1969½-72½ as those are the years they used the light blue paint but I'm pretty sure they changed the grille in 70/71 so you *probably* have yourself a 70½ model? (or 69/70?)  Lol. The engine manufacter date will help narrow it down a little if you can find your way down to it but it won't super accurately help unless you add a couple/few months to the manufacter date.

Hope this helps some!


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- The "Mud Duck" ~ 1969 Bolens 1225 Hydro (2022 Build Off 2nd place!)
- The "Silver Bullet" ~ 1984 Sears Craftsman LT(V)11 (MTD Built) (Part 1)
- The "Silver Bullet" (Take 2) ~ 2024 Build Off entry (Work in progress)
- Roper "Offroadster" ~ 1979 Roper T4328 (Romping in Progress!)
- 1973 Massey Ferguson MF12 ~ (Sold to a good home)



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PostSubject: Re: Sears Super 12, Year?   Sears Super 12, Year? Icon_minitimeAugust 23rd 2023, 12:07 am

I'm pretty sure his is just a Super 12.  Not a special.  I'm sticking to 69. Unless it has the place for the hood ornament then I'll fall back to 68. I agree with your 68-69 assessment.  LOL


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     Bowser..........01 Murray Widebody LT
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PostSubject: Re: Sears Super 12, Year?   Sears Super 12, Year? Icon_minitimeAugust 24th 2023, 1:37 pm

Alright, based on input from y'all, lots of google image searches, and some vintage sears catalog and magazine ad scans it's definitely a 68-69.
The guy I bought it from thought maybe it was a '69 but no documentation, just word of mouth passed down from previous owners i suppose.
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PostSubject: Re: Sears Super 12, Year?   Sears Super 12, Year? Icon_minitimeAugust 24th 2023, 1:41 pm

Online i see people label as both 68 and 69 models with hood ornaments, the correct paint scheme and grills, etc.

However, in the 1968 sears catalog (color photos) the grill matches mine, in the 1969 (B&W photos) it does not! So these outliers could be could be lefotver stock 68s sold as 69s I suppose.

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PostSubject: Re: Sears Super 12, Year?   Sears Super 12, Year? Icon_minitimeAugust 24th 2023, 1:53 pm

Looks like the vent panel on the hood is different between 68 and 69 units as well.
1968=silver letters black background, "Super 12" in red
1969=blue letters in black oval, "SS 12"in red
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PostSubject: Re: Sears Super 12, Year?   Sears Super 12, Year? Icon_minitimeAugust 24th 2023, 2:39 pm

The 69 you discribed. I believe it is the "truer" 69, i believe they changed grills later that year too.  The one I discribed is probably really a 68 and a half.    It really gets into the schematics of it all.  I think you would be safe in just calling it a 68.  I'm pretty certain it was probably built in 67-68.  You ever look for the engine plate?  That can help narrow it down.


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     Marshal ........93 Craftsman GT6000      
     Red Bandit ...72 Wheel Horse Raider 12
     Dirty Rat........77 Sears Suburban
     Bowser..........01 Murray Widebody LT
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PostSubject: Re: Sears Super 12, Year?   Sears Super 12, Year? Icon_minitimeAugust 24th 2023, 2:48 pm

Still scrubbing! Y'all should buy stock in engine degreaser and carb cleaner....

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PostSubject: Re: Sears Super 12, Year?   Sears Super 12, Year? Icon_minitimeAugust 24th 2023, 7:39 pm

MightyRaze wrote:
There may even be one more hole between the key switch and the light switch under the dash sticker.  Some models had one pre-drilled there.  Not sure if this model has it.

I checked and there's No additional hole in that location.
I should be fine with 4. Not planning to get too crazy with this build.
Ignition, headlights, winch, choke.

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PostSubject: Re: Sears Super 12, Year?   Sears Super 12, Year? Icon_minitimeAugust 24th 2023, 11:38 pm

I think it came along in the 70's for a fuse.  Either way, love these Sears Suburbans.  It will be a nice machine!


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     Dirty Rat........77 Sears Suburban
     Bowser..........01 Murray Widebody LT
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PostSubject: Re: Sears Super 12, Year?   Sears Super 12, Year? Icon_minitimeAugust 29th 2023, 1:12 am

The Starter/Generator was manufactured in April of 1968.
So it's a 1969 once assembly, shipping, and sales is taken into account. Anything later than July would be the next year model per auto industry....

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