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PostSubject: Re: '86 Westwood T1200   '86 Westwood T1200 - Page 5 Icon_minitimeMarch 4th 2017, 11:35 am

Tried to get this update all in one post but I can't seem to get more than 5-10 pics on one post.

Anyway, Since I stubbornly refuse to buy new parts to lock the trans, I found this 'hub' with a 3/4" bore that was originally off a cement poker. Plan is to weld the axle shafts to the hub to make a straight axle. Then weld the pins to the hub and through the hole in the diff carrier. 

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Got my ags swapped onto the Westwood rims.

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Next thing is to replace the aging cracked turf tyres on the front with a pair of knobby go-kart tyres. Not using the rims as I need them for my go-kart. 
(Note the nail is just temporary so I can move it around the workshop)

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PostSubject: Re: '86 Westwood T1200   '86 Westwood T1200 - Page 5 Icon_minitimeMarch 4th 2017, 12:20 pm

Ooh are you using the silver rims the knobbies are on? Those look like they have some nice sealed bearings
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PostSubject: Re: '86 Westwood T1200   '86 Westwood T1200 - Page 5 Icon_minitimeMarch 4th 2017, 2:57 pm

That should look pretty cool! What size are those fronts?

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PostSubject: Re: '86 Westwood T1200   '86 Westwood T1200 - Page 5 Icon_minitimeMarch 4th 2017, 5:29 pm

CraftsmanQuad19 wrote:
Ooh are you using the silver rims the knobbies are on? Those look like they have some nice sealed bearings
Nope I'm swapped the knobbies onto the Westwood rims. I need those rims (that the knobbies are on) for one of my 3 go kart projects. The bearings are really 'grumbly' since they are the originals. I might put some bearings in the Westwood front rims. 
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That should look pretty cool! What size are those fronts?
Thanks! I think they are 14.5".

BTW: What do you think of the locker idea? Good/bad? I'm waiting on my 90 degree circlip pliers coming in the mail to take the diff apart.
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PostSubject: Re: '86 Westwood T1200   '86 Westwood T1200 - Page 5 Icon_minitimeMarch 4th 2017, 6:16 pm

Is the nail plugging a hole in the tire? Never mind. I see it on the spindle. lol!
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PostSubject: Re: '86 Westwood T1200   '86 Westwood T1200 - Page 5 Icon_minitimeMarch 4th 2017, 6:19 pm

Oh ok. As long as you get good penetration on all your welds and be sure you don't warp the axle shafts with too much heat, I think it should work pretty good.

Just thought; the only bad thing is you won't be able to take the differential assembly apart once it's all welded together. Which means if you bend or snap an axle shaft in the future, the whole diff and axle assembly will be junk.

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PostSubject: Re: '86 Westwood T1200   '86 Westwood T1200 - Page 5 Icon_minitimeMarch 4th 2017, 7:30 pm

I think I can just cut the axle out of the carrier. I'm also wondering how to actually weld the axles to the hub.

Got a little work done tonight. Working on a 3 pedal system. On the left hand side the clutch. On the right hand side the brake and throttle. Nearly got the brake pedal done. Didn't get the chance to take any pics because I forgot my phone and my hands were too filthy anyway.
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PostSubject: Re: '86 Westwood T1200   '86 Westwood T1200 - Page 5 Icon_minitimeMarch 5th 2017, 12:04 pm

Got some pics.

Brake pedal:

Before

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Foot Throttle:

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I plan on running the foot throttle cable to the governor arm, while still keeping the hand throttle controlling the governor.

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Next thing is the clutch.

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In the normal configuration, the orange rod connects to the clutch/brake pedal;

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I plan on turning the clutch around so the orange rod faces the other way, then have a clutch shaft running from the left side of the mowchine which pushes the clutch in and out. Make sense? Lol. I'll be doing the real thing soon so you'll see how it works.

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Looking good! That's the same throttle setup I'm no hoping to put on the MTD, dual throttle control like an old diesel tractor.

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Looking good, I wish I had half the skill and better welder like some of you guys have. I'm jealous!

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AllisKidD21 wrote:
Looking good! That's the same throttle setup I'm no hoping to put on the MTD, dual throttle control like an old diesel tractor.
Yeah, seemed the best way to keep both hand and foot throttle.
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Looking good, I wish I had half the skill and better welder like some of you guys have.  I'm jealous!
Thanks! I got that welder for free, does a decent job.

Anyway, stripped the trans right down, but I can't seem to the diff pin (that the two spider gears ride on) out of the carrier? Any help would be appreciated.
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PostSubject: Re: '86 Westwood T1200   '86 Westwood T1200 - Page 5 Icon_minitimeMarch 9th 2017, 4:10 pm

I don't know if I caught which transaxle you have. Have you seen Doc's latest Doc Locker video from this last week? Not sure if it is similar.

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PostSubject: Re: '86 Westwood T1200   '86 Westwood T1200 - Page 5 Icon_minitimeMarch 9th 2017, 6:02 pm

It's an 801 isn't it? If I remember correctly that's what it is.
Has the same differential carrier as the Peerless 600!

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PostSubject: Re: '86 Westwood T1200   '86 Westwood T1200 - Page 5 Icon_minitimeMarch 9th 2017, 6:08 pm

It's an 832. Similar to an 801. I just cut the pin out. Didn't get the axles welded to the hub tonight but hopefully will get it done tomorrow.
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PostSubject: Re: '86 Westwood T1200   '86 Westwood T1200 - Page 5 Icon_minitimeMarch 9th 2017, 6:20 pm

Oh ok. Probably still has that diff carrier. I like those carriers that they put in some of those transaxles, it all comes out as one piece which is pretty handy haha.

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I feel like a goof, I see your differential picture in the thread now. Didn't earlier. scratch

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AllisKidD21 wrote:
Oh ok. Probably still has that diff carrier. I like those carriers that they put in some of those transaxles, it all comes out as one piece which is pretty handy haha.
Yep has the diff carrier Wink
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I feel like a goof, I see your differential picture in the thread now.  Didn't earlier. scratch
Haha it's fine Very Happy

Here's this weeks progress;

Clutch:

Welded up a custom clutch pedal. Made from a Rally clutch pedal and Westwood brake pedal.

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Welded in clutch support no. 1. This is part of a Westwood shifter.

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Clutch support no. 2.

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Clutch pedal installed

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Now for the clutch engager piece thingy Very Happy
This is just a nut welded to a piece of flat steel with a hole in the top. I had to make several versions of this, but this is the final one that works reasonably well.

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Cross drilled the shaft and nut to run an M10 bolt through. Hole is (now) 10mm. Was 6mm when that photo was taken.

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Modified clutch, longer rod that faces the opposite way from the previous one.

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Foot throttle. Haven't got it hooked up to the engine yet. If the bolt mounting doesn't work I'll mount it differently. Just thought I'd try simply bolting it in.

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Started on the rear pulley swap. Cut the center out of an AYP pulley (9") and am going to weld it into a 6" for the rear.

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Work has continued on the trans. Dissembled differential;

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Had to cut the spider gear pin to get it out.

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More to come soon. Final touches to the clutch mech. and new front pulley are hopefully going to happen tomorrow. Watch this space!
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PostSubject: Re: '86 Westwood T1200   '86 Westwood T1200 - Page 5 Icon_minitimeMarch 10th 2017, 6:07 pm

Looking good man! I see in your signature that the S1200 got scrapped??

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PostSubject: Re: '86 Westwood T1200   '86 Westwood T1200 - Page 5 Icon_minitimeMarch 10th 2017, 6:15 pm

Thanks! No, not really. I need to change that lol. I still have the front axle, frame, trans etc. Once I get this Westwood finished and the Go kart up and running I will hopefully get back to it Wink
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Oh ok, I was wondering about that hahaha. It'd be cool to see that thing rolling again!

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Thanks. Fixed the sig Very Happy
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Ah, much better! Hahahaha!

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PostSubject: Re: '86 Westwood T1200   '86 Westwood T1200 - Page 5 Icon_minitimeMarch 10th 2017, 6:30 pm

I'm thinking of doing a hot rod styled build this time with the S1200 but not sure. Got lots of ideas but they're gotta wait until I can sell some stuff and get some room for it.
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PostSubject: Re: '86 Westwood T1200   '86 Westwood T1200 - Page 5 Icon_minitimeMarch 10th 2017, 6:42 pm

I'd keep the suspension on it and have it be a general off-roading machine. It's your rig obviously haha, but I liked the suspension setup that you had on it.

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PostSubject: Re: '86 Westwood T1200   '86 Westwood T1200 - Page 5 Icon_minitimeMarch 11th 2017, 7:42 pm

AllisKidD21 wrote:
I'd keep the suspension on it and have it be a general off-roading machine. It's your rig obviously haha, but I liked the suspension setup that you had on it.
Yeah, I'm undecided on what to do with it yet.

Got my engine pulley bored out to 1". I think it's around 6".

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Made a modification to the 'clutch engager'. This makes it closer to the clutch so less clutch pedal movement engages and disengages the clutch.

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Box of transaxle parts. 

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One of the roller bearings is destroyed and there appears to be no shifter balls. I have to take the other 801 I have apart to get those parts out of it.
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PostSubject: Re: '86 Westwood T1200   '86 Westwood T1200 - Page 5 Icon_minitimeMarch 11th 2017, 10:37 pm

First time I took my trans-axle apart the snifter ball had rusted itself to the bottom of the spring and set screw.

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