Richie's Murray Widebody- "Orion"

if it has a peerless tranny i dont think it will be a 2000 year , more around 96-98 i would think, all the murrays i have gotten with peerless trannys were under 2000.

Yeah 42515X92A is a 2000 model.

So this things kinda blown apart right now...


Beefier Murray GT steering gear? I think yes.


Beefier Murray GT spindles, wheels, and bushings? Also yes.


So that's the entire Murray GT steering setup in the LT. Cool, lol


Also you can tap the hole in the end of these steering shafts to 1/4-20 so you don't have to use the stupid clips. I'm also using the Murray GT steering wheel.


Rip Murray GT


So all I've really gotta do now is get down to TSC and get a belt, and work out some belt keepers. Hopefully.

Sweet! To be honset I never thought you'd put any work ino this thing again hahaha, should be cool. So since it's kinda made of two different Murrays doesnt that sorta make it MUTT 2?

I didn't think I'd ever do anything with it either. But I got bored and happened to have the stuff around to get it to where I might like it so I took the opportunity.

Mutt 2? Nah, lol. I like Orion (Or Onion, as a lot of my friends on facebook call it )

Oh, haha Onion sounds about right.

Murrays are pretty easy to work with. That gear will help a lot.

Murrays are easy to work with until you get into the damn belt system. Nowhere to mount idlers or belt keepers or anything.

And btw I picked up a belt at the Napa. An inch or so too small. I'll exchange it sometime soon.

Very true. rear belt keepers are a pain to put in , so i have only one on my rig . i think i got two or three belts before i got the right one

I have 4 belt keepers on Mutt and her belt system works flawlessly(at least until you wrap a stick around the trans pulley). One on both of the trans pulleys, on around the pulled side of the belt, and one on the forward clutch idler. Hopefully the inch bigger belt I'm getting tomorrow works. Then I'll do belt keepers

I don't know, I didn't have too much problems making brackets and adding pulleys.  I also was able to use existing holes for engine belt keepers on the engine with a 6 inch pulley.

That's a nice double pulley clutch ya got there mighty. I'm wondering if I shouldn't just make one myself while I have her apart. Maybe I'll look that over tomorrow. Also since I have the gt frame I might use some of it to beef up this frame. We'll see.

Thanks, made it by cutting up some scrap parts welding some. I had the pulleys lying around. Also added that idler to help keep the belt off the shifter.

I'm sure I have everything to make one for Orion. Just gotta put the thought into it. I already have an idler there to keep the belt off the shifter lol.

It wasnt the building part that was the issue for my clutch, it was making the belt not hit the shifter linkage cause of my probably too large plate too hold the pulleys .

Well fellas, I believe I have the belt issues worked out on this sucker. Got an inch bigger belt from napa. Was worried for a second it was too small, barely slipped over the back pulley. Luckily it's a deep well pulley and this belt should work. Added an adjustable belt tensioner/idler to keep the belt off the shifter like Mighty has there, and put on a bunch of belt keepers. One for rear pulley(actually half of mutt's old seat mount that my 155lb fat arse broke in half lol idek), one for the engine pulley, one for the clutch idler(replaced with a smaller idler, didnt have any the right size so it needed something different), one for the adjustable idler, and one under the left side of the belt so it doesn't droop so much. Both of the belt keepers for the idlers were pieces cut from Mutt's old green fender, was scrap anyways and the thickness I wanted. Seeing the old ATLTF.COM MUTT lettering makes me wanna do something similar to her new fender....

AAAAaaaannnyways, if all goes well and i get up before like 3pm, I may have this pos driving tomorrow!!!

Pic of belt when I first got it in. Mutts seat mount in original orientation on this machine as a idler bracket lmao


John Deere green Mutt's seat mount turned idler bracket turned belt keeper lol.


I can confirm that it is 100% easier to buy the damn $16 belt than to fug around with idlers and stuff all day. This is the second time I've learned this lmao.

Sorry for the lack of pics folks, blah blah blah excuses was on phone with gf dammit I'll snap a few tomorrow i just wanna go to bed its fugin almost 6am

So uhh today was interesting

-Got 21hp runing ok ish with this carb
-Big arse cast iron pulley didnt fall off
-Belt does spinny
-Spinny things no less noisy than i expected them to be
-Belt stayed on spinny things
-Belt didnt wanna stop
-can stop belt by having it in gear and standing on the brakes
-had it on blocks so it was all good
-got frustrated with governor and gas pedal
-governor bypassed
-think itll be ok
-forgot to take pics lol
-belt still doesnt wanna stop, might just have to drive it around (with a helmet lol) til the belt either wears in or breaks

this thing is gonna be too fast, woooooooooooooo

Wow . Yeah oppy governers are a pin to work on and not very well designed .

Yeah they are. I had a good working governor and gas pedal setup on mutt for a while though, this one just doesnt wanna cooperate

You get your clutching issue sorted out with this one yet Rich? Wasn't sure if you had driven it around enough yet to break the belt in, belt issues suck haha.

Oh crap, thought I updated this. Eventually I gave up on trying to make this thing work right in the shop and just took it for a ride. Guess the clutch/belt worked itself out. She's pretty fast, does around 30mph I'd say. She starts, stops, steers, shifts, what more can ya ask for really lol. Oppy pulls her right along, no problem. Almost throws me back in my seat hahaha. I'll try to shoot a but of video of me just going around on this thing, and maybe get a top speed run if dad will let me use his gps. Trying not to break this thing, @CraftsmanQuad19's buddy is supposed to be buying this soon and it would suck to mess it up for him

Took this thing for a decent romp today. Clutch still doesn't work exactly right but it's driveable at least. To be honest, this thing is complete and utter trash off road. Front tires are too small, rear tires are too stiff, the whole thing is too light, it's too low, balanced weird, etc. As decent as these Murray look in the shop, they're terrible in the field. The one thing this tractor does ok is drive fast. Took her for a jog up to Sand Springs(just where a church once was at the peak of the mountain I live on, like a quarter mile away), only took me a little bit to get there and back. She definitely outruns Mutt, and the handling is pretty good. Might have some video up of this thing soon. I had the gopro clone on the helmet but it was angled a bit low so you don't see much in front of me.

Lol see that’s why I don’t like Ag’s. Insanely stiff. Gotta split up the lugs to allow the tire to flex

I don't think it's just those honestly. The whole thing feels like a 30mph oppy swapped Radio Flyer wagon. If it had some 19s on front, a locked diff, and about 150 more pounds it should get right along. Of course, if you add that stuff you start breaking everything else on the tractor. Somewhat like what happened with Mutt haha

Lol more weight = harder impact. I like a light machine so the driver weighs more in the ratio, that way more weight on the machine is free to move around so it can compensate for uneven trail. Just the way I am I guess lol

Well part of the red wagon ana logy(ffs doug cmon) was that it just rides like a rock. It just rattles and bangs and skips if the ground is anything but solid pavement. It seems to be a common thing with Murrays and other light rigs. Mutt, in both her stock and current form, ride well. A good bit of weight just seems to make things move very fluidly, none of the jerkiness this thing has. Not to say the tires don't contribute to that.