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PostSubject: Mutant turtle   Mutant turtle Icon_minitimeMay 25th 2022, 2:42 pm

I already started this a while back but considering I am going to do some upgrades I might as well bundle it up in here.

This is where it started, a customer of ours decided that they didn't want to invest money in to it after having it in storage for 10 years
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I asked my boss if I could perhaps take it to fix it back up again and so we got her on the healing bench
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Colour really came back to life.. bit it was going to need some polish.
Other than that I got her running just enough to get her home.
Carb was absolutely shot after sitting for all those years.
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PostSubject: Re: Mutant turtle   Mutant turtle Icon_minitimeMay 25th 2022, 2:48 pm

I got it driving long enough to get it the 5 minutes to my home with a carb that kept flooding and a janky used battery from the scrap pile

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After her first clean she looked a whole lot better but o just wanted to see how far I could take it
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Polish polish and more polish
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PostSubject: Re: Mutant turtle   Mutant turtle Icon_minitimeMay 25th 2022, 2:55 pm

Chinesium carb was sort of a bust but a decent parts donor for 13 USD

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First time out for a proper test drive
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With the engine sorted and not much of a plan I just stuck with atleast fixing the cosmetic issues.
Removed all old stickers and replaced the anti slip tape. I also put it in the centre section as it always kind of bothers me that that gets damaged and I could hide some damage that way as well

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PostSubject: Re: Mutant turtle   Mutant turtle Icon_minitimeMay 25th 2022, 3:12 pm

And then I found out about atltf and decided to really turn her in to a proper off-road tractor.

Firstly I planned on fixing the hydrostatic gear and already ordered parts but decided that I would be better off with a peerless transaxle.

So now what?

Well honestly I don't know exactly yet.
I do want to keep it a running machine while I work on it so it's not going to be a full overhaul in one go.
And looking at the fact that she's really looking nice for a 20+ year old machine I want to keep her in that condition.

What I do know is that I want to put go kart spindles and install shocks in the front.
Maybe I want a 4 link anyway but I am not familiar with that and might need some tips and guidance?

Iam still running the crap battery so i want to move a smaller battery to underneath the steering column.
The old one sits very high up and is honestly quite big for my needs.
That being said I am thinking about moving the gas tank to above where the transaxle sits.
Also when it comes to weight I might move the seat down a little more to keep the centre of mass as low as possible.

I definitely need a bumper some day as well as these hoods are very delicate

Other than that I am open for ideas and will keep setting goals for the future

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PostSubject: Re: Mutant turtle   Mutant turtle Icon_minitimeMay 26th 2022, 6:16 am

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That looks like a nice base for a spindle, guess I'll remove the fork and weld a 1 inch stub on there.

These come with conical bearings and all by the way.
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PostSubject: Re: Mutant turtle   Mutant turtle Icon_minitimeMay 26th 2022, 6:21 am

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Also found this massive front axle for a country clipper zero turn mower on the shelves.
That's at least a 2x4

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PostSubject: Re: Mutant turtle   Mutant turtle Icon_minitimeMay 28th 2022, 3:57 am

So I guess I am going to need a skid plate.
I was driving around my house when some dried up weeds just wanted to make friends with my belt.

With the battery needing to be replaced still and acting more like a capacitor I quickly got the chewed up belt on and made it home.

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These buggers will get you, they're hard as a stick untill they hit something and instantly turn into rope.

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My dog had the best time aswell

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PostSubject: Re: Mutant turtle   Mutant turtle Icon_minitimeMay 29th 2022, 12:55 am

Well.. here goes nothing.
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Cut most of the fork off just to get a rough idea. There's a lot of cleaning up still to do.
You can sort of start to see the idea here.

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She's about 5 inches long, I will likely shave another half inch off if possible.

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PostSubject: Re: Mutant turtle   Mutant turtle Icon_minitimeMay 30th 2022, 12:22 pm

I sprained my back at work so I didn't have too much energy to deal with it but I managed to mostly clear up one side

I guess that the best way for me is to send the shaft to a machine shop to just clean it up and cut in a notch at 10 degrees aswell
I will be clearing some more metal off before that but at this point iam just not feeling well enough

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The other reason I will send it off is because the shaft is rather worn out on the top side so I can kill 2 birds in one stone.

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That being said I did find some undersize bearings so that shouldn't be an issue.
The price for a set of 4 however is more than some people paid on their tractors however Mutant turtle 1098998679

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PostSubject: Re: Mutant turtle   Mutant turtle Icon_minitimeJune 3rd 2022, 7:06 am

Well the spindles were a bust for now.
The spindle shafts did not play well enough and it just seemed like an uphill battle.
New plan is to just dump everything out and to find some hollow shaft as a kingpin and mount the axle shaft on the tube as normal.
Iam having some issues finding a proper 1" pipe or shaft with a .25 inch wall thickness however in my area so I'll just wait a while with that.

Meanwhile i got some more important fish to fry with the gear but I haven't received any parts yet.

I did find this nice chinesium gel battery for about half the price of a lead acid motorcycle battery.
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I would like to cram it in here, just need to figure out a good way without accidentally setting the fuel tank on fire.
This floor pan is an absolute pita to take out so the battery box is the best way to reach the gear in the future
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PostSubject: Re: Mutant turtle   Mutant turtle Icon_minitimeJune 3rd 2022, 2:33 pm

fbisurveilancevan wrote:
Well the spindles were a bust for now.
The spindle shafts did not play well enough and it just seemed like an uphill battle.
New plan is to just dump everything out and to find some hollow shaft as a kingpin and mount the axle shaft on the tube as normal.
Iam having some issues finding a proper 1" pipe or shaft with a .25 inch wall thickness however in my area so I'll just wait a while with that.

Meanwhile i got some more important fish to fry with the gear but I haven't received any parts yet.

I did find this nice chinesium gel battery for about half the price of a lead acid motorcycle battery.
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I would like to cram it in here, just need to figure out a good way without accidentally setting the fuel tank on fire.
This floor pan is an absolute pita to take out so the battery box is the best way to reach the gear in the future
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thats a sweet find, and yea anything 1" is a pain in the Mutant turtle 252588580 to find i have been tring to find some wheels that had a 1" bore with bearings for my rideing cart and i was looking for 2 weeks and was only able to find one company that made that rim with the tire i needed. at the moement they are on order but they where 112$ a peice and they are not large by any means they about the same size as a rideing mower tire but 1/2 the width.
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PostSubject: Re: Mutant turtle   Mutant turtle Icon_minitimeJune 3rd 2022, 11:31 pm

It is literally a Google search problem, since I've been working professionally with heavy machinery for the last decade I know that 1 inch is actually the more common size.

However if you type in Google 1 inch you get anything from 1/8 to 1 1/4.
Amazon is even worse so if I really want to buy from Amazon I'll type in Google shaft 1 Amazon instead and that'll get me a little further.

McMaster car actually has a good selection of tube but they don't ship outside the u.s. and anyone on evilbay asks 30+ usd for shipping
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PostSubject: Re: Mutant turtle   Mutant turtle Icon_minitimeJune 4th 2022, 10:04 pm

fbisurveilancevan wrote:
It is literally a Google search problem.

I couldn't agree more with that statement! I remember the day back in 2016 when I worked in an auto parts store and all of a sudden Google search sucked @$$ and I was having a hard time finding the info and content I used to find with ease... don't know what they changed but it was something!
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PostSubject: Re: Mutant turtle   Mutant turtle Icon_minitimeJune 5th 2022, 2:02 am

Well I know that I will change the transaxle but I'll have some fun in the meantime.
I had ordered a smaller pulley and a belt already and since my belt is 1 stick away from breaking I'll just do it now.

Hydro gear transaxles are actually really adaptable and perhaps even better than most peerless when it comes to parts IF you have experience with them.
Also very helpful company if you are looking for advice or parts.

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So this is that access hole I was talking about.
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Even with the steering wheel and shaft out you would still need to remove the entire console and pedal assembly to even remove the pan so no thanks
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PostSubject: Re: Mutant turtle   Mutant turtle Icon_minitimeJune 5th 2022, 3:28 am

A blistering 10 mph, anyway it's an improvement over the standard 4.5 mph
Enough to start wondering what to fix on the steering because she will move all ways except the one I want it to go.

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PostSubject: Re: Mutant turtle   Mutant turtle Icon_minitimeJune 6th 2022, 10:15 am

To steer or not to steer that is the question.
I have tried to see if there was any hope in the factory front axle and steering assembly but I kept running around in circles.


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The front axle is really flimsy sheet metal and the bushing simply cant do much if the rest is this weak
So I decided that it's best to just forget about everything and start from scratch
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As plate 0080 can be removed it should be easy enough to change that to 1/4 steel and drill the hole Lower.
On the opposite side a second plate will also be placed so the arm can be mounted lower
In theory this can easily be fabricated outside of the tractor.
Below is a very rough mockup of where I will make cutouts and just to get a feel for it, this axle is a 3x4 with a 30mm kingpin
Everything is straight, no frills and by the rules of keep it simple stupid
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PostSubject: Re: Mutant turtle   Mutant turtle Icon_minitimeJune 6th 2022, 3:55 pm

And the sketch for the machine shop so they can crank out the spindles.
He asked 90 USD for the pair which seems reasonable considering I can have these made to exact tolerances

Aand as soon as I posted this i see I actually screwed up since I should only have a 0.01 micrometer clearance which would make it 24.99
So ignore my stupidity
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PostSubject: Re: Mutant turtle   Mutant turtle Icon_minitimeAugust 18th 2022, 8:57 am

Been a while, finished the gear a while back but really didn't have any time for it so far
Have been working half days because I had too many paid time off so I decided to have a go at it at work.

Main issue I had is that this gear wants to be in reverse but the short chassis didn't allow me to turn it.
I was pondering over welding something up but my lazy ass couldn't be bothered.
Co-worker removed a gear from a Deere x350 and.. wait.. hol up..
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Stole the subframe from under his nose, drilled some 12mm holes in the snapper and tada.
Needs a little work yet but this should be plenty strong and most of all a good upgrade to the original mounting brackets

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PostSubject: Re: Mutant turtle   Mutant turtle Icon_minitimeAugust 20th 2022, 3:38 am

No updates, just some brainstorming and could use some help trying to figure stuff out.

The original frame has an abundance of little plates stacked together.
That original rear end I have already partially cut to fit the gear in.
On top of that theres the bracket for the seat pan.
Iam thinking about doing away with all that and just make 2 long brackets for the seat pan.

Question is what is really wise and how can I strengthen this the best way possible without adding too much crap again.
Perhaps a plate on the top of the rails and extend that to the new subframe and bolt it to the subframe in the rear?
These frames tend to flex alot and I just need to get rid of movement here

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PostSubject: Re: Mutant turtle   Mutant turtle Icon_minitimeAugust 20th 2022, 9:08 am

That rear end supposed to be in backwards?  What model of rear is it?

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PostSubject: Re: Mutant turtle   Mutant turtle Icon_minitimeAugust 20th 2022, 11:53 am

Yeah it's kind of hard to visualize since I don't have any pics before I started hacking

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The new rear is in the right way.
The old rear I have partially cut to make way for the new gear which sits in reverse and about an inch further back with the shafts.

The bracket for the x350 serves as both a rear support and a transaxle support.

Transaxle is a peerless 915-019 for a Toro rear engine rider
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Didn't know this at first either but I guess it works a lot better for my controls aswell.
Bit of a pain in the butt to get everything in but I am already pretty much sorted except for how to get some more strength in the rear

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PostSubject: Re: Mutant turtle   Mutant turtle Icon_minitimeAugust 22nd 2022, 3:16 am

Brake were frozen up as per usual.
Cooked the whole thing up and dunked it in oil twice and let it marinate for the night .
Pins came out without too much of a fight
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After a clean and a quick and dirty coat of paint and some silicone she's free again
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PostSubject: Re: Mutant turtle   Mutant turtle Icon_minitimeAugust 22nd 2022, 8:45 am

Trying the shoes back on..Mutant turtle Img20268
There's about a half inch to an inch extra clearance allround so I am pleased with that.
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Transaxle pulley is on aswell, was a bit of a fight because there wasnt much tolerance built in.

The brake pad on the gear side didn't want to go out yet so I'll try that again when the wheel is off

Other than that I'll probably pick up a belt tomorrow and then I still have to sort out the controls

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PostSubject: Re: Mutant turtle   Mutant turtle Icon_minitimeAugust 23rd 2022, 11:55 am

Poor man's PTO delete, simply smashed the PTO to bits for now but I'll order a bolt and shorten it
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With it being a former hydrostatic transmission I did find a really nice spot for a gas cable so that'll go on the shopping list as well

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As far as the belt goes I bought a belt which set me back a whopping 100 usd so screw that, I'll order it from Amazon.
The belt didn't fit however but afterwards I wondered if I ever disengaged the clutch.
I just have this picture and have been pondering for an hour now wether I didn't screw up.
I just wanted to order the parts today but I might have to check again tomorrow.
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PostSubject: Re: Mutant turtle   Mutant turtle Icon_minitimeAugust 23rd 2022, 12:36 pm

My dad was a Ferris dealer. I build my front ends out of Ferris solid front axles. They fit perfectly in AYP craftsman front ends. Just trim the ends down and make spindles for them. Super heavy duty
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