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PostSubject: Tie-rod delete?   Tie-rod delete? Icon_minitimeApril 9th 2023, 8:41 pm

Now correct me if I'm using the wrong terms here, but I need some help. My Sears compact 8 came to me with only one drag link installed with another hole in the steering linkage for a second one. I removed the old drag link, and replaced, and added drag link with 1/2 inch heim joints, all thread, and hardware. With the heim joint linkages added the tie-rod is binding. Will it be detrimental to my machine to not have the tie-rod installed?
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PostSubject: Re: Tie-rod delete?   Tie-rod delete? Icon_minitimeApril 9th 2023, 9:45 pm

I’m having some trouble understanding… could you post pics up?
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PostSubject: Re: Tie-rod delete?   Tie-rod delete? Icon_minitimeApril 9th 2023, 10:07 pm

If I remember right there is a "tie rod" that runs from spindle to spindle.
There is a steering link that goes from a steering arm to one spindle.
I think there is a steering rod? from the gear to the steering arm?  

If I am understanding you put heims on the steering link?  Then added a second one that was not there.  

I think it is an either/or on the second steering link "or" Tie rod.  Running both could cause excessive wear and binding like you mentioned.  I'd remove the spindle-to-spindle tie rod if you run the second steering link.  That would be redundant.


Edit:  The more I think about it.  Adding that second link could be causing your binding on the existing steering link.  I think especially when you turn "right?".  The Heims could be stacking on the steering arm and or possibly restricting some turning radius?  I can't remember how far apart those holes are.


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PostSubject: Re: Tie-rod delete?   Tie-rod delete? Icon_minitimeApril 9th 2023, 10:15 pm

Yes, this is exactly it, and thank you. I felt it seemed redundant, but wanted to make sure I wasn't putting myself at risk of damage. Thanks all!
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PostSubject: Re: Tie-rod delete?   Tie-rod delete? Icon_minitimeApril 9th 2023, 10:16 pm

Please check out my edit.  We posted at the same time.  Make sure that isn't a cause as well.  If those holes are far enough apart it should be ok.


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PostSubject: Re: Tie-rod delete?   Tie-rod delete? Icon_minitimeApril 9th 2023, 10:30 pm

Yes, thanks for the follow-up. Removing the spindle to spindle linkage cured the bind, so there's clearance.

So, another question: What do you guys run as far as toe-in or toe-out on your steering?
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PostSubject: Re: Tie-rod delete?   Tie-rod delete? Icon_minitimeApril 9th 2023, 11:03 pm

I personally run straight as I can.  I've heard some run slightly toe in to help with steering.  Pretty unanimous not to run toe out.


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PostSubject: Re: Tie-rod delete?   Tie-rod delete? Icon_minitimeApril 10th 2023, 2:28 pm

Like mighty said, anything but toe out. I always go for a little toe in, as you’re more likely to bend things and push your wheels away than in.

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PostSubject: Re: Tie-rod delete?   Tie-rod delete? Icon_minitimeApril 10th 2023, 2:39 pm

I was always taught about 1/8 of toe in.

Then again, to quote Taryl, “It’s a lawn tractor, it ain’t the space shuttle”
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