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PostSubject: Project Black Horse   Project Black Horse Icon_minitimeNovember 11th 2023, 8:59 pm

Alrighty.     I'm starting with a 416 that supposedly ran when parked but was taken out of service due to a clutch pulley failure.  This does have the 1 and 1/8" axles.     I will be using a 1" spindle forward swept axle from a 520.  This has a separate clutch and brake pedal which I think I'll like.   Cons are I hate this hood design.   I will use the tires of the Colt and will have to get a little bit skinner ones for the rear.  

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PostSubject: Re: Project Black Horse   Project Black Horse Icon_minitimeNovember 12th 2023, 1:30 pm

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Alrighty.     I'm starting with a 416 that supposedly ran when parked but was taken out of service due to a clutch pulley failure.  This does have the 1 and 1/8" axles.     I will be using a 1" spindle forward swept axle from a 520.  This has a separate clutch and brake pedal which I think I'll like.   Cons are I hate this hood design.   I will use the tires of the Colt and will have to get a little bit skinner ones for the rear.  

Now, that is a serious machine.
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PostSubject: Re: Project Black Horse   Project Black Horse Icon_minitimeNovember 12th 2023, 4:47 pm

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Now, that is a serious machine.

Thank you.

Wiring is toast on this. Maybe a fire? Anywho I bypassed everything and the engine fires right up. Let it run for 30 minutes. 10,865 acorn shells came out the muffler. Got the engine pulled and steering off the donor undone. I hate the looks of the 400 series more than the 500 series so I'm going to do a dash swap before the custom hood. Dash tower unbolts from the 520 but I'll have to cut it off the 416.

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PostSubject: Re: Project Black Horse   Project Black Horse Icon_minitimeNovember 14th 2023, 8:41 pm

Got the forward swept axle in and the 416 dash tower cut off. The 520 dash tower bolts on and off.

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PostSubject: Re: Project Black Horse   Project Black Horse Icon_minitimeNovember 14th 2023, 9:01 pm

That's awesome! Did the axle bolt right in our did you have to do any modifications?


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PostSubject: Re: Project Black Horse   Project Black Horse Icon_minitimeNovember 14th 2023, 9:46 pm

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That's awesome! Did the axle bolt right in our did you have to do any modifications?

Direct bolt up on all the long framed wheel horse.

Spent over a hour getting crap off this dash tower. Can't get the wheel off so I can't dake the dash bezel off so I can't remove the gauges. I'll bust them out with a hammer. I try to save things but I'm on a slight time line here.

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PostSubject: Re: Project Black Horse   Project Black Horse Icon_minitimeNovember 14th 2023, 10:32 pm

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Funny how even the newer models get broke down, it still looks like the older ones.

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PostSubject: Re: Project Black Horse   Project Black Horse Icon_minitimeNovember 15th 2023, 7:26 am

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Funny how even the newer models get broke down, it still looks like the older ones.

The rear mounting stuff changes but basically the same. Good frame design and the rolled with it for years.

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PostSubject: Re: Project Black Horse   Project Black Horse Icon_minitimeNovember 15th 2023, 5:31 pm



A little progress.

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PostSubject: Re: Project Black Horse   Project Black Horse Icon_minitimeNovember 15th 2023, 7:18 pm

Just watched the video. Very nice. How much does it move the tires forward do you think on that swept axle? No chance for me to find one of those around here.


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PostSubject: Re: Project Black Horse   Project Black Horse Icon_minitimeNovember 15th 2023, 8:37 pm

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Just watched the video.  Very nice.  How much does it move the tires forward do you think on that swept axle?.

Thanks.

Probably 2" but the 1" spindles and roller bearing wheels are the selling point for me. It was moved forward to make room for a bigger deck and spindle size and bearing upgrades where due to needing to handle the abuse of a front end loader.

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PostSubject: Re: Project Black Horse   Project Black Horse Icon_minitimeNovember 15th 2023, 9:06 pm

Sounds/looks like a really killer upgrade overall, even hangs more weight out front which is welcome. Good stuff @BairleaFarm!


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- The "Mud Duck" ~ 1969 Bolens 1225 Hydro (2022 Build Off 2nd place!)
- The "Silver Bullet" ~ 1984 Sears Craftsman LT(V)11 (MTD Built) (Part 1)
- The "Silver Bullet" (Take 2) ~ 2024 Build Off entry (Work in progress)
- Roper "Offroadster" ~ 1979 Roper T4328 (Romping in Progress!)
- 1973 Massey Ferguson MF12 ~ (Sold to a good home)



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PostSubject: Re: Project Black Horse   Project Black Horse Icon_minitimeNovember 19th 2023, 2:12 pm

There is no reason for a steering wheel to be stuck this bad. Looks I need a steering wheel alternative now.Project Black Horse 20231115

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PostSubject: Re: Project Black Horse   Project Black Horse Icon_minitimeNovember 19th 2023, 3:49 pm

Holy carnage! Lol. Ya sometimes they really seize on, I had a wheel ridiculously stuck before, fought with it for a week then walked away from it for a few months but I got it in the end without completely destroying it.


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- "The WarHorse" ~ 1984 Sears Craftsman LT(V)11 (MTD Built) (Romping in Progress!)
- Roper "Trailblazer" ~ 1986 Roper LT110CR (Trailblazing in Progress!)
- The "Mud Duck" ~ 1969 Bolens 1225 Hydro (2022 Build Off 2nd place!)
- The "Silver Bullet" ~ 1984 Sears Craftsman LT(V)11 (MTD Built) (Part 1)
- The "Silver Bullet" (Take 2) ~ 2024 Build Off entry (Work in progress)
- Roper "Offroadster" ~ 1979 Roper T4328 (Romping in Progress!)
- 1973 Massey Ferguson MF12 ~ (Sold to a good home)



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PostSubject: Re: Project Black Horse   Project Black Horse Icon_minitimeNovember 19th 2023, 4:11 pm

Got the engine bolted down and it does appear to me a 16hp. I need to find the missing tins(I'm sure ive got them) and some bolts.[Got the engine bolted down and it does appear to me a 16hp. I need to find the missing tins(I'm sure ive got them) and some bolts. The onan should all be metric correct? I need to decided on a throttle cable setup. Most use bicycle brake levers but wasn't happy with that on the last build. I might try to do something else. Limited on room as well since the brake pedal is on the throttle pedal side lol.

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I need to decided on a throttle cable setup. Most use bicycle brake levers but wasn't happy with that on the last build. I might try to do something else. Limited on room as well since the brake pedal is on the throttle pedal side lol.

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PostSubject: Re: Project Black Horse   Project Black Horse Icon_minitimeNovember 19th 2023, 5:49 pm

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Holy carnage! ...without completely destroying it.

Oh a new shiney wheel will be here tomorrow. On a side note I merges a old style hood with the 520 hood so it fits a 416 chassis lol. It's riveted to I can take and weld it but I almost like the riveted look.

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PostSubject: Re: Project Black Horse   Project Black Horse Icon_minitimeNovember 19th 2023, 7:32 pm

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There is no reason for a steering wheel to be stuck this bad.

Wheel Horse and Sears Suburban/Roper, personally a couple of the best garden tractors out there of their era. Both super hard to remove a steering wheel that has not come off previously.

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PostSubject: Re: Project Black Horse   Project Black Horse Icon_minitimeNovember 20th 2023, 7:16 am

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 Both super hard to remove a steering wheel that has not come off previously.!

I nothiced this one was a alloy on the wheel. We call know mixing two types of metal can be bad.
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PostSubject: Re: Project Black Horse   Project Black Horse Icon_minitimeNovember 20th 2023, 8:13 am

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Got the engine bolted down and it does appear to me a 16hp.      I need to find the missing tins(I'm sure ive got them) and some bolts.[Got the engine bolted down and it does appear to me a 16hp.      I need to find the missing tins(I'm sure ive got them) and some bolts.    The onan should all be metric correct?




Trying to read this was some serious deja vu, I would think the onan would take the standard metric bolts but i've never actually even seen one in person so I don't know.
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Trying to read this was some serious deja vu,


I had issues posting that post. Im ok though.

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PostSubject: Re: Project Black Horse   Project Black Horse Icon_minitimeNovember 20th 2023, 8:36 am

The onans I messed with all used standard bolts. They were ‘70s models though. That hood swap really is something! Can’t wait to see what it looks like when it’s done.

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PostSubject: Re: Project Black Horse   Project Black Horse Icon_minitimeNovember 20th 2023, 8:41 am

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That hood swap really is something! Can’t wait to see what it looks like when it’s done.

I had 2 junk hoods so im not our anything of it fails. It has potential but all depends on my horrible welding to make it look decent. Good or bad either way its progress.
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PostSubject: Re: Project Black Horse   Project Black Horse Icon_minitimeNovember 20th 2023, 10:59 am

Little bit of fine tuning and I bet you can make that new nose look factree! I always hated the plastic fronts on those tractors, they look so cheap and flimsy.

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PostSubject: Re: Project Black Horse   Project Black Horse Icon_minitimeNovember 21st 2023, 7:18 am

Nice.  Steering wheel replacement installed.   Additional 7hp added.

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Nice, that's a cool steering wheel!
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